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Hospice Nurse Julie McFadden On What We Can Learn From Signs and How To Live More Fully

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Hello beautiful souls! What if we didn’t consider death the worst possible outcome? What if we discussed it honestly, embraced hospice care, and prepared for the end of our lives with hope and acceptance? In her new compassionate and knowledgeable book, TikTok star Julie McFadden—known online as ‘Hospice Nurse Julie’—shares the valuable lessons she’s learned in her fifteen years as an RN in the ICU and in hospice. Expertly interweaving emotional insight and practical advice, her new book Nothing to Fear demystifies end-of-life care for both patients and caregivers. Today, we’re talking about spiritual ‘deathbed phenomena’ of seeing loved ones when transitioning to the Other Side and how to have important conversations now. This episode is sure to help you live life to the fullest and really enjoy being you!

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Julie Jancius: Here’s a preview from today’s episode.

Nurse Julie McFadden: It didn’t feel soft and warm and fuzzy like I thought an angel would seem like, right? It didn’t feel like, dainty or love. It didn’t even feel loving. I wouldn’t even say loving. It didn’t feel scary, but it just felt like power, like certainty, powerful. This, like, force of energy that was like protecting this person. And the feeling was like, she’s mine. I’ve got her. I’m watching over her right now.

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Nurse Julie McFadden: Thank you, Julie. We were just talking about. We have the same name. Always love that. Thank you so much. I’m so happy to be here. Can’t wait to talk.

Julie Jancius: Yes. So we have to start out with this. You have a story of seeing an angel physically, and I believe that you were at the bedside of one of your patients as you saw this. So tell this story, and then I want to kind of dissect it a little bit.

Nurse Julie McFadden: Okay, so let me just preface this so people who are listening, who are skeptical, understand that I am too. I was, and I still am, even to this day. Even though, like, what I witnessed is unexplainable. which I’ll get to in a second. Yeah. So let’s just start there. This has not happened to me. I’m not like an angel, girly, as people would say, you know? And it still can happen, is all I can say. So the story of the angel, I didn’t tell for very long. I told the other part of the story, which I call my miracle story. And my miracle story is the one patient who I feel like came back to life, on hospice. Anyway, I should say, I’ve been a nurse for a long time and different types of nurses. But my one miracle story from hospice is this woman who I admitted onto hospice late at night. she was young, she had young kids, and she was actively dying, which means, like, dying within a few hours to a few days. Now, when I saw her initially, she’s my miracle story because she came back to life. So when I saw her that night, she was, like, hours from death. And you get really good at this if you’re used to seeing people dying and what they look like. She was not oxygenating, so she changes in her skin color, changes in her breathing. She had the death rattle. She was not maintaining, meaning she was fully unconscious, not alert and oriented, not waking up. Like, I had to tell her kids right then and there, like, listen, because you could tell they did not know what was happening. They were, like, in their twenties. I had to get support over there for them because I thought she was dying that night, maybe even while I was still visiting. That’s how close to death she was. And I’m, prefacing this because this is why it’s a miracle. People don’t come back from this. Truly, medically, you don’t come back from what she looked like. You can’t. Your brain is not getting oxygen enough to, like, actually come back and be a normal brain again anyway, just to get to the angel part. So, For years, I would always just talk about how, you know, she was actively dying. And right before I left, I went to her room just to make sure she was comfortable. I left her room. I left the house. The next morning, I see that there was no death visit or death call from the family. And I called the office being like, hey, you know, what happened to so and so? You know, who went to go see her? She definitely died last night. And they were like, we didn’t get a call. And I thought, oh, my gosh, the family, they must have called 911. She’s probably in the hospital. I don’t know what happened. So I called the family, being like, hey, how’d it go? What’s going on? You know, confused. And the son answered and he sounded really happy. And I could hear people laughing in the background. And I was like, what the hell’s going on? Right? So I’m like, what happened? You know, how’d the night go? And he was like, oh, my gosh. Mom slept through the night and she woke up and she said she’s. She was really hungry and she wanted pancakes. So she’s just up in the kitchen eating pancakes. And I right now thinking about it because I could not believe what they were saying. I was like, what? They’re like, yeah, she’s awake and eating pancakes. And of course, like, I’m not going to. Like, I just sort of kept it to myself. So I was like, great. can I come see you guys? Because I could not believe this. So I wanted to see for myself. Of course, there she is, up eating pancakes, fully alert and oriented, walking, talking, eating, laughing, like back from the dead. So that was the story I told for so many years. My miracle story. My miracle story. It’s a miracle. It’s a miracle. And I even told the family, this is a miracle. I have never seen something like this happen. At first I thought it was the rally, which is also a phenomenon that happens where, like, someone gets a burst of energy, then dies very quickly. But she didn’t die. She lived for another three months, fully alert and oriented and, like, living her best life until she did eventually die in hospice. But three months, that’s a long time for a hospice patient who was actively dying. Okay, so that’s my miracle story. Now, the angel part of the story comes in years later when I finally got the guts to say, you know, what was what I actually saw that night.

Julie Jancius: Wow.

Nurse Julie McFadden: And because for years, I didn’t even. You know, I was just afraid, you know, I was afraid of not sounding credible. You know, my platform is mostly about me educating about death and dying biologically, you know, and. Which is still fascinating, but I’m not really. I don’t really share tons of, like, whatever you’d call mystical stories or something. But finally I said, you know what? This deserves to be told, because I’m not saying the whole truth. And the whole truth is, that night before I left her, I went into her room just to truly. Just to check on her physically. And all of a sudden, a flash came in my head. It was in my head, so it was in my mind’s eye, and an image was shown to me of this huge being, that basically kind of helped me see it in my mind’s eye and then gave me a feeling, like, communicated through feeling, which, again, I can only say this in hindsight. In the moment, I was like, I didn’t know what was going on in the moment. So it was like, this being that was huge. As big as, like, a twin bed, so as big as her twin bed behind the twin bed of this patient, and as huge and as tall as the ceiling, if not bigger. And it felt solid, like concrete, like rock, like a solid rock thing. It wasn’t rock, but, like, you know, solid is my point. And what was basically communicated with me through feeling was like, this being did not care that I was there. It was okay. But it wasn’t communicating with me. It was more just like, this is what it is. I’m here, I’m hers, and I’ve got this. It didn’t say, like, I’m an angel, but it felt like that was what the feeling was. I’m her angel. And it didn’t feel soft and warm and fuzzy like I thought an angel would seem like. Right? It didn’t feel, like, dainty or love. It didn’t even feel loving. I wouldn’t even say loving. It didn’t feel scary, but it just felt like power, like certainty, powerful as. It’s this, like, force of energy that was, like, protecting this person. And the feeling was like, she’s mine. I’ve got her. I’m watching over her right now. And it wasn’t even communicating with me specifically. It was just sort of like, that was the energy of the thing, and that’s what it felt like. It was a brief second, right? A brief second of, like, it also felt like it had wings, but it was, but they were tucked behind. The way I would describe it, I don’t know if anyone’s Catholic, but a lot of, like, people, people who are Catholic have these like, mother Mary statues in their, like, gardens and, they’re blue and there’s like a veil and stuff. It didn’t, it wasn’t like that. It wasn’t. But it felt like that kind of, structure, like just a head. There was no facial features, broad shoulders, and just like towering over the patient. And this happened like in a split second. And truly, I’m such a skeptic that I almost didn’t give it a second thought. If anything, I scoffed at it when, like, if anything, I was like, Julie, you’re making this up, you know? And then I left and, and I did my own thing. I went to bed, I woke up the next morning, and only when I saw her the next day, laughing and talking with her family and living, did I know that shit. What I saw was real. And even then, Julie, I still was like, but I’m not going to tell anybody. I’m not going to tell anyone. for years, I mean, for years, I probably was a good ten years ago. And then finally, I just said, you know what? I’m not telling the whole truth here. Yeah, so that’s my angel story. That’s my angel story. I still have a hard time explaining it because I’m so, like, I don’t know. Yeah, I don’t understand. All I can tell you is what I, what I saw. You know, what they. What. What it showed me.

Julie Jancius: Well, and I think that that makes the best angel story because you, you know, we never try to think our thoughts, right. The thoughts just come in. And that’s been the entire premise of me having this podcast is to show people that our intuitive senses, and I know that there’s a lot of people out there that are like, the clairs. The clairs. You’re this clair, clairvoyant, Claire, zentiate. They all work together. We all have all of them. They just all work together. You can see them as a whole or you could dissect them one by one. But that vision that you talk about, just seeing it through your mind’s eye, all of us can relate to that in that we get visions of our future. Like, if you’re a mama and you wanted to have those babies, you saw it within your mind’s eye. It’s calling to you in some way. And the angels are saying, tell the mamas who are still working on bringing those babies through, hold on and have hope. but you see things. You see jobs and opportunities and, and directions that you want to go. And I believe that so much of that is not us trying to think it, not even us placing it within our own senses. It’s God, universe, source, all that is, our angels, our guides, our loved ones on the other side, using positive, loving messages to communicate with us.

Nurse Julie McFadden: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was amazing. I feel, I feel happy that I’ve been able and willing to, like, share about it and, just see what, and see what comes, because, you know, I had an idea of what I thought an angel would be like. You know, it’s kind of typical. So, like, to have this other thing be shown to me. It was pretty great. You know, I never told the family, I said, because I was, I was also scared, so I didn’t tell the family or anything, but I did. I did say that to the family that I feel. I feel like this is a miracle. But I never really shared, I never, like, got, I never became open with them about, like, did you know you were so close to death? Do you know that? You know, I just sort of. I just sort of let them have their own experience.

Julie Jancius: Yeah.

Nurse Julie McFadden: and it wasn’t until years later that I really, processed any of that.

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Nurse Julie McFadden: If families bring it up, it’s such a fine line. It’s such a fine line. If families bring it up, I think it’s all what people are comfortable with. Right. So, like, if families bring it up and they are already talking about it, I think it’s okay. But I still always allow them to kind of guide the conversation. I’m very hesitant to say like, my own beliefs because it’s not really about my beliefs, it’s about their beliefs. Right. So I’m always really, I’m always really hesitant. But if they’re, if they’re pretty open and talking about their stuff, I’ll talk about it with them for sure. And I’ll just be really careful not to interject my own thing. You know what I think?

Julie Jancius: totally.

Nurse Julie McFadden: but I will say like, with the visioning stuff, like the thing which we’ll talk about, I’m sure the ah, part about death and dying where a lot of people vision and see dead relatives and dead loved ones and pets that I do openly talk about, not about like what it means or if I believe in it, but I, specifically educate the families about all the different phenomena that can kind of happen, just so if it happens, they’re not freaked out, you know? So I look at it as like an educational piece more versus my own personal beliefs. Right. So. And then the more I do that, the more families are open to sharing with me about things that have happened to them, which is why I think I have more stories, than I normally would have because I happen to educate about it. So then families are open with sharing.

Julie Jancius: Absolutely.

Nurse Julie McFadden: Whereas I think if you don’t educate about it, they’re not going to share because they, they’re worried about sounding crazy or crazy, quote unquote crazy. I hate using that word. But just to get a point across.

Julie Jancius: Yeah. So before we head into that part, because I do want to talk about that too. Have you had any other angelic experiences or seen anything else?

Nurse Julie McFadden: I have not had any other angelic experiences. I do personally, like, not on a hospice nurse Julie level, but just on a Julie level myself. you know, I’ve always been a seeker. I mean, even as a little girl. I don’t know about you, but like, I’ve always been asking like big existential questions. Even as like a five year old, I would be like, what is God? Why are we here? Why are you my mom? Why? Like, why was just. I always have these really, really big questions. I’d always be talking to quote unquote. God. I say quote unquote. Cause I don’t. I don’t know what I was talking to, but even as a little girl, you know, I didn’t grow up in a religious house household. So, like, those ideas came to me on my own, and I always felt like I was talking to something bigger. So nothing. Nothing really angelic. But I just feel like my whole life I’ve had experiences where I’ve been shown. like, your last guest, I think Annie, would talk about, like, how we’re all one. Like, I feel like I’ve been shown many times that, like, it’s about the present moment. It’s about we’re all connected to all things. We are all literally a part of the same thing. We’re all one. We are all one is the main message I always get. So maybe not an angelic being, but, like, the message is clear that, like, it’s all love. We’re all one. And everything is okay. Always. Always. Especially in the here and now.

Julie Jancius: Oh, I love that. Okay, so you said all the phenomenon that can happen now. These, listeners who listen to the show know that we’ve had near death experience. Folks on. And they know that as people near their end of life, are on hospice care, they can see loved ones on the other side. Like you said before, they can see pets. Pets, I believe, can be part of our spirit team. Are there other different phenomenons that happen as well, otherworldly, divine happenings as we transition to the other side?

Nurse Julie McFadden: Yeah, there’s, in chapter six in my book, which I just read yesterday. It’s my longest chapter, this deathbed phenomenon, because there’s so many things that can happen, I feel like they all kind of tie together. So the number one thing that I think this actually will surprise people. The number one phenomenon that happens the most is terminal lucidity, which is the rally or the surge of energy. It happens in, like, almost one third of all of our patients, which is one in three. That’s a lot of people. And, a lot of people just kind of miss it because they don’t know. They don’t know that it’s happening. They don’t know what it is. And that’s when someone is looking very, very ill, looking close to death, and then suddenly they have, like, a really good day or a really good few hours or a really good couple days. Usually it’s no more than a few days, Max. And then they die after. They don’t linger on. They don’t have a bunch of good days. They have. They’re going down, down downhill, and then suddenly a burst of energy. They are almost like they’re back to themselves again, you know? And people, could think like, holy is it? are they better? And then they die shortly after, I would say a couple days. So it can be the greatest gift if you know it’s happening and you can be there with your loved one. It can be very devastating if you don’t know what’s happening. So we always try to educate. I always try to educate beforehand because there’s nothing worse than being, like, the bearer of bad news when you’re the hospice nurse and you’re seeing it in real time, and to be like, listen, I know this is an amazing day, but I’m trying to prepare you guys that this could mean that they’re going to die shortly after. so I always try to educate beforehand so I don’t have to be that person who’s saying, like, I know they’re doing really well, but I think they’re going to die. So that’s the first one. Then the second one we see a lot, like you already said, is the visioning where people see dead relatives, dead dead loved ones, dead friends, pets, people see pets, people see angels, people see beautiful landscapes, they hear music. Depending on their religion, they’ll see, you know, if they’re christian, they see Jesus, different angels. It just depends. This doesn’t always happen, and I don’t have a percentage of people who do this, but it happens often enough that we like to educate about it. And people always think it’s because of, like, lack of oxygen or they’re on so many meds, and it’s just. It’s just not. It’s just not. I am a clinical nurse who’s been a nurse for 16 years. I know what hallucinations look like. I know what delirium looks like. I know what ICU psychosis looks like. This is different. These people are usually alert and oriented. They’re usually afraid to tell you because they’re kind of like, I don’t want you to think I’m losing my. I don’t want you to think I’m confused. It’s just different. And it brings peace, is the main thing. It brings peace and comfort to them. Now, the other ones kind of tie into visioning because there’s something we call, like the. I call it the death stare. I have no idea if that’s the actual name. I call it the death stare, or, like, the death reach and that’s when someone’s kind of talking to you, talking to you, talking to you. And then suddenly they, like, veer off and they’re in their own little world, and they’re staring into the corner. And no matter what you do to get their attention, you can’t get their attention. They won’t stop looking at the corner. And sometimes they’ll even reach up during that time, like they’re reaching for somebody or something. And then sometimes they’ll even vocalize. Mom, are like, oh, my gosh, what are you doing here? Like that. You know, something like that. So it can all. They can all kind of tie in together. I usually see the death reach and the death stare when they are a little in and out of lucidity. They’re not always. They’re not always, like, alert and oriented during that time. That’s usually closer to death when they are kind, of like with you, but not with you, or, like, in and out of sleep. So that’s something we see a lot. I’ve seen so many people stare into a corner and then get the biggest smile, ever, you know? And, like, they’re seeing something or someone. And then the last thing, which are a few different ones, that they all kind of tie in together, are people, like, choosing when they die. People can really, like, choose a day when they. Not everybody, obviously, but I’ve seen people choose an exact day. I’ve seen people be like, I’m waiting until after my grandson’s born, or I’m waiting until everyone comes into the house and says their goodbyes, or, I’m waiting until everyone leaves so I can die alone. usually people who want to die alone are people who are really independent. maybe shy, maybe introverted. Also, like, prideful in the sense of, like, they don’t want everyone seeing them look like that. So they’ll wait. They’ll wait until, everyone will leave the room, finally, because no one wants to leave the room because they’re trying to all be there for the person. And finally, once everyone leaves the room, either to get coffee or go to the bathroom or whatever, then they’ll die. And so many family members are saddened by this, or, oh, my God, how could we let them die alone? And I always am like, listen, they probably wanted it that way, especially if that’s their personality anyway. And then, there’s people who will wait, you know, they’re the matriarch, or they know that, they’ll wait until everyone I’ve seen someone I just shared the story again in my book of this woman who was 100 years old. She’s 100. She had children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, great great grandchildren. And she was the matriarch of the family, and she was actively dying when I saw her, which means usually only a few days, maybe a week, Max, maybe because you’re not eating and drinking and are fully unconscious. This woman, who was 100, hung on for almost three weeks, actively dying. Meaning, like, no food or water, not waking up until every one of her family members came in, like, flew in to be with her. There was, like, 50 people in her house, and then she finally died. It’s like, what? So people can. People can sometimes really hang on or choose when they’re going to do this or kind of know, have a sense that they’re gonna go soon. So who knows? Julie? But I’ve seen it enough to know that, like, it’s a thing that happened.

Julie Jancius: Oh, my gosh. Of course. Well, it’s so interesting because, I’ll be in sessions, and this happened from the very first session that I started doing, where people will come in and they’ll be like, my relative is transitioning, or I think that they’re not gonna be here that long. How long do they have? Like, they want to know. And I said, what you don’t understand is that this is, like, the hardest energy. And the angels talk about this all the time to work with, because they show it to me like, double Dutch with the jump ropes that it’s like, the energy of the person is in, it’s out, it’s in, it’s out, it’s in, it’s out. Like, and they also show me that every person, human being, has these roots of energy that kind of go down from our feet and ground us into our earthly personality, the roles that we have here. And in order to kind of transition through the dying process, not quickly, because some of us leave quickly, but through the passing away process, really use our will to lift those roots up. and in a way, I don’t think all of us do, but I think most of us do make peace with the life that we’ve lived.

Nurse Julie McFadden: Do you feel. Oh, I’m sorry to interrupt you. This is just making me think. I don’t want to forget. Do you feel like. And you don’t have to say yes, because even though, do you feel like people who have prepared for their death and kind of maybe not even accepted it, but at least talked about it, even if the talking is, like, I don’t want to. Right? Yeah. Do you feel like people who, prepare for it are able to let go of that energy more and those roots more? Or, like, does it feel seem like it’s easier for them? Because I feel like that’s what I see.

Julie Jancius: Yeah, but,

Nurse Julie McFadden: Yeah, I don’t know.

Julie Jancius: Yeah, that they’ve talked about it. Yeah. And you see a lot of people. I think that’s one of the hardest energies to work with, is what you just said. There are a lot of people who don’t want to go, and there’s this energy of will. I want to write an entire book on this, but it’s a force energy within you, and you have it your entire life, this will. And towards the end of life, I think that’s one of the last energies that we release. And maybe why people get that, that surge of energy, which I think is really a gift, is how do you let go of your will that’s been gas in the tank your entire life forward.

Nurse Julie McFadden: Yeah, talk about that’s like, that’s like, in life and in death, how do you let go of your will? Because, like, it’s so necessary sometimes. I think about that. I mean, this is the whole other podcast, but I’m, but I’m sober and I’m in a twelve step program that talks a lot about, you know, your will versus surrender versus letting go. And it’s just like an onward, daily thing that, like, you, that I personally need to practice sometimes. So just let go, let go, let go. I always say people die how they live. And if you’re meaning, like, and not even in a negative way, but, like, meaning, like, if you’re super independent, if you’re really neurotic, if you’re, you know, if you’re controlling, like, you might not have the easiest death because it’s going to be really hard for you to accept the help that you definitely will need. Everyone at the end of life needs to accept help because you cannot do it anymore. Like, you can’t do the easiest thing, get up to go to the bathroom, have so, you know, so, like, people who are very independent and, like, don’t want to rely on people, they have a really hard time with that. And, I’m saying this to myself, too, because I like that. And, like, if you, if you like to live in the black and white, dying is not black and white. There’s so much gray, there’s so much not knowing, and it’s really hard for human beings who like to know. I want to know. I want to. That’s why everyone’s always like, how much time do I have? You know?

Julie Jancius: Yeah.

Nurse Julie McFadden: And like. And to be honest, I can. We can kind of, at hospice nurses, we can kind of. The closer they are to death, the easier it is to kind of see that. But when you’re six months away, which still isn’t much time, but, like, it’s gray. It’s a gray area. Like, you just got to live it for today, and that’s so hard to do.

Julie Jancius: It is, and I don’t think that that’s the right question. It’s the question that everybody asks, you know, how much time do I have? But the question is, what am I supposed to be doing? Like, where is the roadmap for this? And is that where your book goes?

Nurse Julie McFadden: truly? That’s so great. Yes. What am I supposed to be doing? Yeah, my book is basically, you know what? My book is not meant to be. It can be read from COVID to cover, for sure, but my book is meant to be kind of like a roadmap, kind of like, ah, an educational book to help you prepare for end of life. And guess what? We’re all dying. So who is it for? It’s for everyone. It truly is. because it’s never too early. Like, we plan for everything. Weddings, births, jobs, moving. We plan for everything. Why do we not plan for the thing that is guaranteed, which is death? And just so it’s not like a textbook and boring, I added in stories of my life and think cool things that have happened and different, you know, different patients that have really changed my life and things like that. So it’s like a educational book with stories woven in so it doesn’t feel like a straight textbook. And, it’s meant to be kind of like, just pick the chapter you think sounds good for you in the moment and read it and hopefully get something from it. Because I think. I think, you know, the more we contemplate our own mortality, the better we will live and then the more peaceful we will die. Because it’s about living, really.

Julie Jancius: Absolutely. Absolutely. And I think it’s also just about understanding how to make peace, too, with letting go of other relationships. I mean, years before I started the podcast and lost my dad, I lost my grandfather, who I was extremely close to, to cancer, and my grandma. And I don’t know if it was my grandfather’s request, but my grandma just definitely didn’t want anybody there. Like, she wanted it to be private. She didn’t want, anybody to see him in a weakened state. She wanted everybody to remember him. Powerful. And so the last conversation that I had with him, I wasn’t prepared, like, and I think I would have bypassed her wishes and just hopped on a plane if I knew that it was the end. But he had been struggling with cancer off and on where it went into remission. So this was years and years and years, and they’re like, he’s sick again. He’s in hospice. Okay, you know, that that’s bad. But we didn’t understand. So I’m on the phone with him, and he’s just talking about stuff and, like, not tracking with a conversation. Like, he’s just totally in left field, talking about base, basketball, and the bulls, which he and I used to watch all the time together, but it wasn’t basketball season. There were, you know, like, he just wasn’t there. And I left the conversation thinking, that was the oddest conversation that I’ve had with him. Nobody said he’s actively passing away. And so it was just a confusing parting.

Nurse Julie McFadden: Yeah. You don’t know what you don’t know, and most people don’t know because no one talks about it. No one educates you. You know, I’m even guilty, you know, like, I never want to push blame on anyone, right? But just in our culture, I am trying to change, and, me and other people, tons of other people, too, but I am trying to change the way we look at death and dying, because in our culture, it’s just not talked about. Even as an ICU nurse, when I was an ICU nurse, I did not know what actively dying looked like. I didn’t know. I don’t see it. I didn’t know facts about it. I didn’t know the biology of dying. And I think that goes for most people. So when you don’t know, you don’t know. Right. And you just have weird conversations and you’re not understanding what’s going on. Right. And then you interpret that through grief, through the lens of grief and loss, and it can be really, really, I don’t know. Traumatizing. Is that the right word? I don’t know. But it can really stick with you in a negative way. And that’s what I want to try to change, because I think even as healthcare workers, we need to do a better job at understanding that people don’t know what’s going on. So we gotta. We have to be the ones to say, this is what I’m seeing. And now that you know that, you can better choose. I don’t care what you choose to do, but you can better choose what you should do. Do you get on the plane to go see him? Do you? I mean, of course you have to respect your grandmother’s things, but, like, you know, people can just better choose when they really know what’s going on. And I think we’re all just so scared to say it, but from what I found is people always think hospice nursing is depressing. What I have found is when people who are dying and their families find one person who is willing to say things like that, like, you’re dying. Here’s what you can expect. There’s not a look of horror on their face. There is a look of relief. I mean, I’m telling you, nine times out of ten, every once in a while, you can tell people have not been prepared or they didn’t know or they’re not ready every once in a while. But most of the time, people look relieved.

Julie Jancius: Yeah.

Nurse Julie McFadden: And by the time I leave there, they’re like, thank you. Thank you. Someone was willing to talk to us, and I’m getting chills right now. Yeah. So it’s not depressing. I leave there being like, wow, that was great. I connected with another human soul and others, their families, and, I really help people. That felt good, you know, it doesn’t feel as depressing. Yeah.

Julie Jancius: I’ll tell you what that looks like in my work is a lot of people will say, I’m going through this with my mom, m I’m going through this with my dad, or I’m going through this with my grandparent, and we talk about things, but we can’t talk about it with x, y, or z person in the family because they don’t want to hear about it. They don’t want to talk about it. And. And so I. I think that some conversations are being had, but I also think that people are very protective around not maybe crossing other people’s boundaries or making them feel uncomfortable. And, But I just see a world, you know, not even 20 years from now, ten years from now, 15 years from now, where this is going to look a lot different.

Nurse Julie McFadden: Yeah, I hope so. Yeah. It does seem like I can’t tell if it’s like, I have a bias now, because now I’m kind of in this world of meeting other people who are willing to talk about it. So it feels like, oh, something’s happening. There’s, like, a movement going where, like, there’s a lot of us now out here, and people are wanting to listen and wanting to learn. So I hope that is the reality of it. You know, I can’t tell if it’s like I’m just yelling into a. Until a vacuum. You know, when you, like, the more you look for it, the more you see it. But it does seem like, you know, like, I didn’t set out on TikTok to, like, get a bunch of followers on TikTok. I was. I’m 40. Like, I don’t even know. Like, I was on TikTok because my nieces were right. But four videos in, I gained tons, you know, thousands and thousands and thousands of followers, and it just hasn’t stopped. So, like, people are willing and wanting to get the information, and that, surprised me, you know? So maybe. Maybe we are ready.

Julie Jancius: Yeah.

Nurse Julie McFadden: Yeah.

Julie Jancius: Okay, so tell us some amazing stories of visioning where at the end of life, they do. You know, your clients do see things or reach out or feel at peace because their loved ones are coming to visit them and get them.

Nurse Julie McFadden: So I like to preface it with this. Visioning happens so often, and, like, people tell me about it so much that it’s even hard for a story to, like, stick out, because, like, it’s so commonplace.

Julie Jancius: Yeah.

Nurse Julie McFadden: Because now that I educate families about it, almost, I would like, like I said, maybe eight times out of ten, families will go, oh, that’s already happening. Oh, he’s already talked about seeing his. Seeing my mom, his wife, who’s been dead for five years, you know? But I’ll tell a couple that are. That are really good, that really stand out to me. So I got called to a patient’s house. This is how it normally goes. I got called to a patient’s house because the patient is experiencing some confusion, and the family’s concerned. I go to the house. The patient is not confused at all. Very pleasant, very nice. Like, and, of course, the family’s like, of course, when you’re here, he’s fine, you know? But when you’re gone, he’s. He’s confused, and he’s saying some things, and they’re kind of, like, whispering it to me, like, out in the hallway, like, not really addressing it to him, but we’re all together in the room, and he’s being fine, saying nothing’s wrong, and he’s alert oriented, saying his birth date and, like, all the things I ask, you know, who’s the president? Stuff like that. And then the family leaves real quick, and I go to leave, and he grabs my arm, and he’s like, hey, hey, I saw my parents last night. My parents came to me. They said, they’re not coming to get me yet, but they’re going to, And not to worry, and they’re gonna. They’ll take care of me. And I was like, that’s amazing. How do you feel? And he was like, I feel so, like. What did he say? He said, I used to feel so afraid, and now I don’t. My family thinks I’m crazy. And actually, he was like, my family thinks I’m crazy, and maybe I am, like. Like. Because he was kind of looking at me like. Like whispering, like, what’s going on? You know? And I was like. And he’s like, but I know I. But I know I feel, But I know I feel comforted now. And I was like, that’s all that matters. And this is really. And of course, I just say this is really normal. That happens all the time. And I’m like, listen, I don’t know why it happens. We don’t know why it happens, but I can tell you it happens. And all I know is, if you feel comforted by it and you feel, less afraid now, go for it. And if they keep coming to you, amazing. And then he just sort of like, yeah, it’s very, It doesn’t feel at the moment as, like. Again, for lack of better words, mystical as it sounds. It’s very matter of fact in the moment, like, when I’m talking to them, especially being the nurse, you know, I’m not gonna be like. I’m not gonna go into, like, what it could mean, or I treat it very, like a symptom of death and dying, you know? And I just sort of say, like, it’s very normal. I’m so glad that you feel comforted now. If they keep coming to you, go for it. You know, it’s okay. So then we say our goodbyes, I leave, I talk to the family, and of course, they’re grabbing my arm. Listen, last night, he’s saying he’s seeing his parents. I don’t know what’s going on. He’s confused. He seems okay now, but we need to do something about it. You know what I mean? Like, we need. We need medication.

Julie Jancius: Get rid of these symptoms.

Nurse Julie McFadden: Yeah. Yeah, we need medication here. So when he’s saying this stuff, we can give it to him. You know what I mean? And I didn’t share what he’s, You know, I don’t want to, like, share what he’s saying to me. Right. So I just said, it’s okay. Like, it’s okay. This is totally normal. And again, I kind of take the nurse’s scientific stance on it when I’m talking to them, like, this is just something we see. We don’t know why we see it. We call it visioning. We see it across all nations, across all cultures. It’s like a worldwide thing that happens to people who are dying, and we just go with it. Especially if he’s comforted by it. Does he seem agitated and scared or anything when this is happening? No. you know, they’re kind of like, this family in particular was kind of, like, annoyed. Like, they were like, no, but he’s saying he’s seeing dead people, you know? And I’m like, I know, I know. It’s okay. Like, I can’t help but, like, kind of smile. We eventually kind of all laughed about it. I’m like, I know it’s okay. This happens all the time. And as long as he’s not agitated by it, and he’s comforted by it, we’re gonna go with it. Just go with it. And they’re kind of like, okay. You know, and that is, that’s just one story, but that’s kind of like the gist of it at all times. Most people are concerned. Family members are concerned. They’re saying, he’s seeing my mom. She’s been dead forever. You know, like, what’s going on? And then the family member who’s sort of like, I’m saying, I’m telling you, I’m seeing my wife. She’s right here. Even in the room sometimes, like, will be in the room. And they’ll be like, I see her right here. She’s right here.

Julie Jancius: Yeah.

Nurse Julie McFadden: And kind. And most of them know that they’re dead, so most of them know it’s strange that they’re seeing a dead person. You know, that’s how, that’s how alert and oriented they are. It’s not always like that. Sometimes if people have dementia or something, they’ll be like, they’ll just be talking to somebody, and you’ll be like, who are you talking to? And they’ll be like, marcy, you know? And, like, Marcy is their sister who died two years ago, so it can be something like that. But most of the time, it’s like someone’s alert and oriented and just as kind of confused about it as we are. I had another great time that just happened recently where I saw a man who did have dementia was mostly nonverbal, just very pleasant, like, pleasantly confused, just always smiling and always really happy. And I walked in, and he was smiling at me, and kind of making eye contact with me. And all of a sudden, I was just sort of talking to him. He wasn’t talking back, but I was just talking about everyday stuff. Then all of a sudden, he looked away and started looking somewhere else, and I couldn’t get his attention again. And he was smiling. And he kept doing that as our conversation went on, which usually it tells me they’re close ish to death, you know, like, they’re getting in towards, like, a transitioning phase. So I brought his wife in, who was elderly and this caregiver, just so I could show her, like, what was happening, so I could be like, do you see what’s happening here? This shows me, like, he might be closer to death or, you know, just, just kind of preparing her. And she was like, oh, honey, this is like, old. This is like nothing to her. She was like, oh, oh. He’s been doing this for weeks. And, you know, he tells me what he sees sometimes. And I’m like, really? What does he see? And she goes, he sees Jesus. He tells me he’s seeing Jesus. And I’m like, that’s amazing. And she’s like, it is. He’s so comforted. I’m so comforted, it’s amazing. Then she takes me out of the room and she, is like. And he’s, he’s doing his own thing. He’s happy in there, whatever. Shakes me out of the room. And she was like, you’re not going to believe this, but a few weeks ago, my sister died, and we were all really close, all three of us, and, I didn’t tell him one because he is. Just because he has dementia and, like, he’s not really going to remember. And, like, I just didn’t. It’s like, why keep having to retell him over and over again that so and so died? So I just didn’t tell him, right? But after a while, I felt bad, but I never told him. I. So I went in there one day, and he doesn’t really talk, so it’s like, not like he can really be verbal. He can kind of say, like, yes and no’s stuff, but he’s not really having conversation. And she goes, but the other day I felt bad, so I went in there and, and I kind of, you know, like, sat down and said, you know, so and so. I need to tell you something. So and so died. I’m sorry I didn’t tell you. and she wasn’t expecting him to answer, and all of a sudden he goes, oh, I, I already know. And of course, she’s just shocked that he’s even talking, and then shocked that, like, he already knows. And she was like, what? How do you know? And she kind of got mad being like, who told you? You know, because she told everyone not to tell him. So she’s like, what? How do you know? Who told you? And he goes, she did. One. He’s talking. That’s amazing. I have children thinking about that. She did. She came to me and told me she died. Wow. What? Like, that kind of stuff is, that’s not really visioning, per se, but, you know, that she visioned that she was there and she told him that she had died. It’s like, wow. I mean, there’s so many miracles there. One, that he could. One, that he was even verbally able to say that to her, and then two, that he already knew. And who told you she did? You know? It’s just like, that’s the kind of stuff that happens to me at my job, you know? Yeah. And I left there being like, wow, I love my job. Thank you for sharing this with me.

Julie Jancius: You know, do you ever have it? I have a percentage of people who say that their loved ones at the end of life talk about not only their loved ones coming to get them, but that they have to get ready for their party. They have to go to their party.

Nurse Julie McFadden: I definitely have people, I’m sure I’ve had people say, I have to get ready for my party. I just don’t remember because that’s how often it, that’s how often things like this happen. It’s like you kind of almost get lost in the things, the cool things that happen. but I definitely have people talk about, you know, getting ready to go, going on a trip. I hear that more than party going on a trip, I have to get ready. I’m going on a trip so much so that families have to be like, we can’t keep them in bed because they keep trying to, like, pack and get up and put their shoes on and, Yeah, so I hear that. I hear that a lot, too. Yeah. Oh.

Julie Jancius: Ah, that’s beautiful. And I think that what happens, too, just so that people are clear, is that what spirit says? Is that if you’re Muslim, you’re going to see figures from that religion. If you’re Christian, you’re going to see figures from that religion. Do you see that too? That, you know, spirit always goes, listen, if Muhammad showed up for a christian person, they’d be like, oh, my God, was I wrong? You know, like, and vice versa.

Nurse Julie McFadden: Exactly.

Julie Jancius: But it’s not about like, all religions are one. it’s just that it is comforting and so the other side knows that and they’re able to use that to bring comfort to folks at the end.

Nurse Julie McFadden: Exactly. Yeah, that’s what, that’s, that’s what I think too. Like, that’s been my experience. People who are, ah, a certain, like that, that man who said he saw Jesus, very devout Christian. Right? So other people, other people have seen other deities depending on what their religion is like. And even people who are devout atheists and don’t believe in anything, sometimes they see, sometimes they’re not just not seeing anything, sometimes they do too. There’s people who vision and see dead relatives that loved ones and they don’t even believe in that stuff. Right. So from my experience, it’s all, it’s just, it’s comforting for the person who’s experiencing it.

Julie Jancius: Yeah.

Nurse Julie McFadden: Yeah. And I think it just brings comfort. That’s the whole point.

Julie Jancius: Amazing. I have gotten this vision the entire time that we’ve been talking. that like, being at, ah, the end of life is kind of like having those best days ever. You know, you’re on vacation, you have the best day of your life, and have you ever been on the beach watching a sunset and you think to yourself, I just don’t want this day to end. Like, I just want it to keep going. That’s what the energy feels like to me.

Nurse Julie McFadden: I love that. I feel like, I always describe it as, seeing so many people take their last breath because the grief for me is removed because it’s not my mom, you know? And it’s like I can feel. It feels like the energy in the room is different. And the energy feels like how it feels when I watch someone, which I haven’t watched many, but when I’ve seen like births or like a baby being freshly born, you’re kind of, you’re like, whoa. Like, the energy is just like, whoa, this, now this thing is here. And like, you can’t help not this thing, this baby, a human, you can’t help but like, weep, right? You can’t help but weep that, like, what the hell just happened, you know? That is the same energy that I feel when I see someone take their last breath. There is sadness in the room and stuff too, because of the grief, but mostly it feels like sacred and like time stands still, like that really expansive feeling m of everything, you know? And to me it feels like, I always feel like the reason why I don’t fear death is because to me, I know that I’m going to a place that feels more like home than here ever has. And I’ve always felt, even when I was a little girl, I’ve always felt homesick. Makes me want to cry. I. Because I. Because I still feel the homesickness. Homesick for a place that I have forgotten. But once I’m there again, which I will be, I’m gonna be like, oh, it’s he. It’s you. It’s here. It’s it. This is it. I’ve always known this, you know, this is where I’ve always belonged.

Julie Jancius: Yes. I’m gonna send you a copy of my book. So, the entire time, I was like, can I bring through messages to her? Can I not? The entire time, the seraphim angels have been with you, and that’s the one thing that they keep saying, is that you were tapped at, asked to come to this lifetime. You didn’t raise your hand and volunteer on the other side. And so I talk in my book about how this experience of life is different for those of us who are tapped and asked to come.

Nurse Julie McFadden: Oh, interesting.

Julie Jancius: Yeah.

Nurse Julie McFadden: That makes me want to cry. Yeah.

Julie Jancius: yeah, because that’s what that is.

Nurse Julie McFadden: Because I always have. Even as a little girl, I’ve always felt, like, homesick for a place that I don’t remember.

Julie Jancius: Yeah.

Nurse Julie McFadden: But I know is real.

Julie Jancius: Me too. And I feel, there’s a lot of people who feel the same way, but I believe that that’s what that is.

Nurse Julie McFadden: Oh, Julie, thank you. Yeah. So nice to, like, be understood. Yeah.

Julie Jancius: Yes. Julie, your book is amazing. Nothing to fear. Demystifying death, to live more fully. Julie McFadden will put the link in the show notes to this. But where can people find you? On Instagram and online and TikTok.

Nurse Julie McFadden: Yeah. So, yeah. so I know, right? If you don’t go, if you don’t want to go on TikTok, I don’t blame you. no, but I’m basically hospice nurse Julie across all social media. So Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and then my favorite is YouTube. So YouTube is my most, like, highly produced show, and I go live at five every Wednesday. I have long videos, so YouTube is my favorite. And if you really want to, like, dig into the information, YouTube is probably where it’s at, but hospice nurse Julie, just anywhere you can find me.

Julie Jancius: Amazing. Thank you so much for being here.

Nurse Julie McFadden: Thank you so much. So great, great interview. I really appreciate it.

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