Have you ever felt a wall around your heart, blocking you from giving and receiving love? In this profound conversation with returning guest Dr. Bradley Nelson, we explore the phenomenon of the “Heart Wall”—a subconscious barrier of trapped emotional energy that 93% of people have. We delve into how this wall impacts your physical health, your ability to connect, and even your life’s purpose. Dr. Nelson shares powerful stories of transformation and the simple method from his new book, The Heart Code, to release these blocks, raise your vibration, and finally experience the unconditional love your soul craves.

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Episode Highlights:

• Dr. Nelson reveals that about 93% of people have a “Heart Wall,” an energetic barrier that can cause feelings of isolation, depression, and physical illness.
• Learn about “Takotsubo cardiomyopathy” or “broken heart syndrome,” a real and potentially fatal condition recognized by Western medicine.
• Hear the incredible story of a young boy whose severe depression and learning disabilities vanished completely after the emotional layers of his heart wall were released.
• Discover how releasing your heart wall can raise your overall vibration, improve your physical health, and magnetically attract new love and opportunities into your life.

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[Julie Jancius] (0:00 – 2:47)

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Welcome to the Angels and Awakening podcast. I’m your angel medium, Julie Jancis, and today we’re sharing your angel stories. Why do our angels and loved ones above show us signs?

Yes, they want us to know they’re okay and at peace, but deeper than that, they want us to connect with them so that they can help us more from the other side. Friends, it all begins with your intuition, vibration, and experiencing oneness. Your intuition is your soul’s voice.

It’s also how your loved ones talk to you from heaven. In this podcast, we teach you how to turn up the volume on your intuition so that you can hear their loving messages more clearly. We also teach you how to raise your vibration and feel your oneness with all that is.

Friends, you are here to love, give love, receive love, be love, radiate love. And because your soul is love, all you really ever have to do is just be. Hello, beautiful souls.

Welcome back to the Angels and Awakening podcast. I’m your host and author, Julie Jancis. Friends, today we are here back by popular demand, I should say, with Dr. Nelson. Dr. Nelson has written, Dr. Bradley Nelson, The Emotion Code. We’ve had him on before about that. He’s written a new book called The Heart Code.

It’s coming out so soon, and I’m just really excited because, Dr. Nelson, as I do my work, I work with the angels, I tune into people’s energy fields and what the angels have to say for those individuals. The messages always talk about the heart, how much we’re blocking our potential with our heart, how much there is going on within the heart subtly that we’re not tuned into. And so I can’t wait to just dive into what the angels want us to know in this episode.

Thank you for being here.

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (2:48 – 2:51)

Well, thank you so much, Julie, for having me on again. It’s great to be back.

[Julie Jancius] (2:52 – 3:07)

Yay. So I’m going to have you open up the conversation. I don’t normally have people read just a little excerpt, but I just thought the beginning, when you talk about the heart as the center of life, is just so great to start off this conversation.

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (3:09 – 3:09)

Okay.

[Julie Jancius] (3:10 – 3:12)

Yeah. Take it away.

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (3:13 – 5:17)

All right. Absolutely. Well, this is, let’s see, this is the beginning of chapter one in the new Heart Code book.

Have you ever felt like your heart was breaking? Can you recall a time in your life when you experienced a breakup or divorce? Maybe someone treated you harshly or caused you pain in some way.

Perhaps you were bullied as a child or even as an adult, or maybe you’ve endured emotional or physical abuse at some point in your life. Think back to those moments. Do you remember the deep pain you felt in your chest?

It may have felt like a heavy weight was pressing on you as if you couldn’t breathe. These feelings are almost universal. Most of us have experienced them at one time or another.

It’s where terms like heartache and heartbreak originate. They reflect a physical sensation tied to emotional pain. Sometimes when emotional pain becomes overwhelming, your body tries to protect your heart by forming what we call a heart wall.

This is a subtle yet real barrier made of trapped emotional energy created by the subconscious mind to shield you from further pain. While this might help you over the short term, over time, the heart wall can block you from fully giving and receiving love, leaving you disconnected and burdened. Now consider the opposite.

Have you ever been so moved by a performance or a touching scene that it felt like your heart was bursting with emotion? In such moments, you’re often not alone in how you feel. Look around and you might see others holding a hand or even both hands over their heart, tears welling in their eyes.

The ancients believed that the heart was the seat of the soul, the source of love, creativity, and romance. To them, the heart was more than a vital organ. It was the very core of our being.

Take a moment to reflect on this. When we experience extreme emotions, whether pain or joy, we feel them in our heart. Our eyes may fill with tears, but the sensation centers in our chest, in our heart.

[Julie Jancius] (5:21 – 5:22)

It’s so beautiful.

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (5:23 – 5:47)

Yeah, and it’s high time that we realize what’s really going on when we experience those moments where we feel like our heart is going to break. The subconscious mind will often build a wall, and then we end up living with that wall as if our heart is living inside of a bunker for the yeah.

[Julie Jancius] (5:48 – 6:13)

Well, and it’s the reason that, um, well, I’m going to go into that, but I want to start with the ancient piece because you go in and you talk about the way that the ancients saw the heart about love, how they saw love and what were the biggest epiphanies or aha moments that you got out of that research about, oh, okay, this is how they looked at it. We need to see this again.

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (6:13 – 7:57)

Well, the fascinating thing is that every culture that I’ve looked at really looked at the heart in the same way, that the heart was the seat of the soul and the source of love and creativity and romance and really the core of our being. And in the West, we’ve never really given any credence to those ancient ideas. You know, if we thought about them at all, we would just think of them, I think, as just poetic license, you know, that those ancient civilizations, they didn’t have the kind of instrumentation we have now.

We know the heart is just a muscle, that’s all it is, but it’s way more than just a muscle. And it really is everything I believe that the ancients believed it to be. I think that was the biggest epiphany was that they all, all these different societies, no matter where you look, they would view it through a different lens.

But whether you’re looking at the Bible or whether you’re looking at ancient Chinese thoughts about the heart or Ayurvedic medicine, it doesn’t really seem to make too much difference. They believed that the heart was really all of those things. And it makes sense that they would because if you just observe some of the things we’ve talked about, how, for example, well, you know, I’ve had situations, especially, you know, over the last year or two, where usually what will happen is my wife will give me some video that she’s watching where someone is singing, you know, on one of these shows, like Britain’s Got Talent or something.

And it’s so unexpected and just so amazing. And everyone in the audience, as they pan to the audience, people have tears in their eyes, and they’ve got their hands over their heart, you know, and that’s how I’m feeling too, right?

[Julie Jancius] (7:58 – 7:58)

Yes.

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (7:58 – 8:46)

Yeah. And, you know, we’ve all felt that kind of experience. Well, the ancients experienced that kind of thing, too.

And so they knew that there was something going on in the center of the chest where the heart is located. And then, of course, as we talked about before, if you feel like you’re really being heard or, or you’re deep in grief, you can also feel that physical sensation. And, you know, it’s amazing, but it wasn’t until the 1970s that scientists discovered that the heart had a lot of gray matter and white matter in it.

And so they, they call it the little brain that’s in the heart. And the other thing that’s really fascinating that we talk about in the book is that the Japanese discovered that you actually can die of a broken heart.

[Julie Jancius] (8:46 – 8:46)

Yes.

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (8:46 – 11:11)

And this isn’t something that doctors talk about, but even in Western medicine, they do now acknowledges they call it cardiac syndrome. And it’s a fascinating thing. They find that if you’re a woman 55 or older, you’re more likely to have to suffer from this.

And if you’re dealing with some intense emotional experience, your heart may begin to fail. And the Japanese discovered that if you take a person that’s experiencing this specific kind of heart failure and they x-ray that person, the heart looks totally different than it normally looks. It actually, it assumes the shape of what they call a takotsubo in Japanese.

A takotsubo is a, a fisherman’s jar. It’s kind of a wide mouth jar that’s sort of rounded. And they put, the fishermen put these jars in the bottom of the ocean and then the octopi, octopus, they find these and swim in and it’s a perfect home for them, but then they end up, you know, as sushi.

But the heart actually assumes this weird shape and it actually looks exactly like one of these fishermen’s jars. And so in that moment, your heart is really failing. And, and then in the book, we talk about some of the, some of the experiences that people have had with this.

And so if you feel like you’re having a heart attack, by all means, you should call 9-1-1, right? But if you go to the hospital and they, they test your heart and everything, and they come back and they say, well, your heart seems to be totally normal. We don’t see any elevated enzymes or anything else.

You may very well be on your way to dying of a broken heart. And it’s a very, very real thing. Well, we’re not sure yet, but we believe in our, our hunches that a heart wall is probably involved in most of these cases.

We know that about 93% of people have put up a wall like this around the heart anyway. And so the vast majority, nine out of 10 of us are wandering through life in this emotionally handicapped kind of way because the heart is not really able. You see, the thing is, Julie, we, we give and receive love with the heart.

[Julie Jancius] (11:12 – 11:12)

Sure.

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (11:12 – 12:34)

You know, when we fall in love with somebody, it doesn’t happen with this brain. It happens with the brain that is in the heart. And they’ve done studies now with the heart.

They find that the heart puts out this magnetic field that’s up to a thousand times more powerful than the magnetic field put out by the brain. So the heart is easily the most powerful organ in the body. It starts beating before much of anything else is really formed in your body as an embryo and keeps beating your whole entire life.

Yeah. Yeah. So it’s a, it’s an amazing organ, but I think to answer your question, that, that was really the biggest epiphany was that all these different cultures that I took an in-depth look at all had basically the same ideas about the heart.

And so in the West, you know, we we are trained and conditioned to just look at the heart as a, as a pump or really just ignore the heart. We don’t do anything about it. If we, if we have a heart attack, then we go to the doctor.

But up until that time, we don’t really do much to take care of our hearts. In most cases, what we’re finding is, um, the single biggest imbalance that affects the heart in our experience, uh, is this phenomenon called the heart wall and nine out of 10 people have this.

[Julie Jancius] (12:35 – 16:26)

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Now let’s get back to the show. Yeah. So this is really fascinating because you know, my, um, I always said that you can have soulmates in different ways.

And I believe that my dad was really just such a deep soul person to my grandma that she passed away from a broken heart when he, when he passed. So my uncle found out about my dad’s passing. He went and flew across the country, literally completely across the country to go in person and make sure that in this age of technology, um, she was the very, he was the very first person that she heard it from in person.

And immediately upon hearing this, she had a heart attack, um, was brought by ambulance to the hospital and passed away 10 days later. So I can, um, I know from experience that this is real and that this is truth. And my, uh, obviously my dad passed up a heart attack at 59.

My grandma passed up a heart attack after hearing is his passing. Um, my grandma on my other side had heart attacks and I have noticed, even though I’m only 43 that, um, as I go through life, I’m just a feeler. I’m an empath.

I’m very compassionate person. And so, uh, there are different things that I’ve heard, you know, you hear over time, whether it’s in the collective, which Tony Robbins talks about in the forward of your book, um, or, you know, on a personal level and I feel it immediately in the heart center, boom, you know, like it’s just right there. And that scares me a little bit because knowing that information and seeing yourself in different visions, being later in life and getting different information, I can see how, um, well, going back to your point, we don’t do enough for heart health in this world.

I mean, I am so fascinated that doctors don’t care to have you in every single year and look at this. We go in every six months to get the, the plaque taken out of our teeth, but you know, they don’t go in and take the plaque out of your heart. Um, unless there’s no preventative care there.

Right. Well, oh yeah, go ahead.

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (16:26 – 17:04)

Oh, well, um, yeah. Um, as far as Western medicine, uh, is concerned, no, there’s not really a whole lot that, uh, that you can do, but the reality of it is, uh, now with, um, the heart code book, for example, um, we teach people very simply how to, how to take care of their heart, how to find that emotional energy that is, um, that is affecting the heart and release that. And it’s, it’s absolutely amazing what happens, you know, in the middle of this book, we have five different chapters full of story.

They’re just stories from people all over the world.

[Julie Jancius] (17:04 – 17:05)

I saw that.

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (17:05 – 18:31)

Yeah. Who have had amazing things happen. I mean, there’s a chapter on animals.

There’s a chapel, a chapter about people, uh, who, uh, who had physical problems that resolved after having the heart wall removed people who had financial success, suddenly people who, um, who suddenly were able to fall in love. Um, it’s, uh, it’s really an amazing thing. You know, the, um, and it’s fascinating how this, uh, how this whole thing came about.

I never in my wildest dreams would have imagined that this kind of thing goes on, but, but I’ll tell you, uh, really quickly how this came about because it was a very crazy thing. My, uh, my wife and I, uh, were, um, we’re in Portland, Oregon one year in 1998. And I was supposed to speak at this convention.

And early in the morning of this convention, she woke me up and she said, she had a dream. And in the dream, there were three symbols and she knew they had to do with her health and wellbeing. So she asked me if I would help her to figure this out, what these things meant.

My wife never wakes me up early. This was a first probably. And so I said, okay, that I would.

And so, uh, we, we were able to figure out the first two symbols from her, her dream. And they were a couple of inherited emotional energies, uh, that we had never discovered before. So we were able to release those because we inherit emotional energies too.

[Julie Jancius] (18:31 – 18:31)

Yeah.

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (18:32 – 24:34)

And when I turned my attention to the third symbol from her dream, um, a crazy thing happened. I had what I can only describe as a waking vision where suddenly the room that I was in was no longer there. And instead I’m seeing this unbelievably beautiful hardwood floor and I’ve never seen a floor to equal this.

And this was high def 3d. This is, like I said, this was a crazy experience and this lasted for several minutes. And as I’m seeing this floor, I have this understanding that comes into my mind that my wife’s heart is somehow underneath this floor.

So this is all very symbolic of something, but I had no idea what this was about. And I told my wife what I was seeing and understanding. She didn’t know what it was about.

So we said a prayer, ask God to help us. Then we started doing some muscle testing on her, trying to figure out, asking questions of her subconscious mind, uh, trying to determine what this was. And what we found was that her heart was actually surrounded by layers of emotional energy that had been put up around her heart, uh, that we’re creating essentially a wall around her heart.

That’s why we call it the heart wall. And she was a kid, uh, when growing up, when her father put in the hardwood floors in her house. And so, uh, when she was two years old, her subconscious mind decided, because she was born into a very volatile family, her father was kind of a rageaholic and, um, very unsafe.

Nobody knew when he was going to blow up or at who. And so the whole family was walking on eggshells the whole time she grew up. And when she was two years old, uh, her subconscious mind decided that it needed to protect her heart.

So it started building this wall. And so then there were other things that happened over the years that added layers to this wall. Now, um, we asked her subconscious mind if we could start to remove these layers and we were able to, and it took us a couple of weeks to get rid of all these layers.

And, um, the price that she paid for having this wall was that she battled with depression and anxiety. Now think about yourself and think about, uh, think about what, what you have to deal with on a day-to-day basis. And you might see yourself in my wife.

Um, she dealt, she battled with depression and anxiety. It was easy for her to feel negative emotions, harder, took a lot more effort to feel positive emotions. Um, she always felt kind of, uh, kind of isolated no matter who she was with, even if it was a group of women that she’d known for many years, she never felt like she really totally belonged.

She always felt like she was the odd person out, like she was kind of expendable. And, uh, so those were the things that she dealt with. And when that last emotion was released, that last layer from this wall was released, all of a sudden she felt she was actually with a group of women and suddenly felt like she belonged for the first time in her life.

And, um, and, and she just has continued to progress since then, but that was back in 1998. And so you will read, uh, in, in the heart code book, you’ll read about people who have written into us and have told us that when that wall is taken down for the first time in their life, um, some of them were able to feel what love actually feels like or what joy feels like. And some of these people write how, for the first time in their life, they were able to feel the love of the creator for them.

And, uh, not to mention all of these other things. And so, uh, you know, when I was in practice during the last 10 years that I was in practice, I, um, most of the patients that I saw had been told there was really no hope for them at all in Western medicine. And there were people that had been, um, told that their problem was incurable, that they would never get well and that no one could ever help them.

And so they would come to see me as a last resort because the word, you know, kind of got out eventually. And so, um, what I would do with these people is I would do this examination before I started working on them. And I would test all the organs and glands and find out how balanced they all were.

And with these people, it was not unusual to find every organ and every gland out of balance and most of their chakras and meridians. And, uh, sometimes with these people, just to prove a point to myself, I would just do one thing. I would just clear their heart wall because all these people, always a hundred percent of them had a heart wall.

So I would, I would start working on that and releasing the emotional layers from around their heart. And when I was done, which usually took, you know, two or three sessions, uh, two or three office visits, I would then redo that initial examination. And Julie, inevitably I would find that 80% of all those organs and all those glands and chakras and meridians were now all balanced like they were supposed to be.

And so I realized how powerful this was. And it was really a secret weapon for me because, uh, because these, these people all got well with just a couple of exceptions over, you know, the last 10 years of my practice, but that was a real powerful, uh, piece of the puzzle. See, was releasing that wall around their heart.

Because when you have a heart wall, you see the heart, I believe is doing way more than we even know way more than we understand. And so with every beat it’s communicating to the cells of the body. And imagine having a, a pure heart that’s made of pure light and love, but that it’s surrounded with layers of anger and resentment and sadness and grief and all the, all the stuff that you’ve experienced in your life that ended up there.

And when that wall is taken down, it can change your entire life. Oh yeah.

[Julie Jancius] (24:34 – 25:13)

And I just want to acknowledge what you’re saying too. So sorry, because when I get into sessions with people, I believe that there’s an angel that corresponds with each chakra, right? And so you get into the heart chakra and I do want to talk to you in a second about the difference between the physical heart and the energetic heart, because I think that there’s two different pieces here.

Um, but every time you come into the heart chakra, Archangel Michael is there. And I would say that out of 10,000 sessions, there’s probably only two people that I’ve worked on that didn’t have heart stuff. Um, energetic heart walls.

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (25:13 – 26:43)

Yeah. It’s so common. It’s, uh, it’s so common and you know, the world that we live in, um, uh, I think, uh, is, is just so difficult for most of us.

It’s, uh, life is more difficult than it should be. And, you know, we come into this world, I think as, as pure beings, uh, we might have some inherited emotional energy affecting us, but, uh, but then, you know, we start to have experiences and not all those experiences are good. So, uh, so, but that’s okay.

I mean, that’s, that’s part of life. It’s part of why we’re here, but, um, getting rid of the heart wall, I think can really make a difference, uh, for people. I think that if there’s only one thing that you do, um, if you could only do one thing, I really do believe it would be this because it has such an enormous effect, not only on you, um, emotionally, but mentally and also physically, um, people’s personality changes when that wall is taken down never for, for ill, but always for better.

And I think, um, getting rid of that emotional baggage that you have is a way to bring you back to the person that you were originally intended to be. And this is another comment that you’ll see throughout the book, people talking about how, uh, that’s kind of how they feel that they’re, they feel like they’re, they’re, they’re getting back to the person that they originally started out as.

[Julie Jancius] (26:43 – 27:15)

Yeah. If, if there isn’t root chakra work to be done with the person, which I tend to feel like there’s not that many times where you come into the root chakra, where it’s very highly inflamed. Um, the, the heart chakra is the point where the most work needs to be done.

It’s also the middle chakra bridging three above it, three below it. And it’s really the center part of balance, um, energetic heart versus physical heart. How does that play in, in the heart code?

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (27:16 – 28:53)

Well, you know, it’s really interesting because, um, what we, uh, what we believe in the way I look at it, uh, I believe that there is a spirit within us, uh, that has been known about since time out of mind talked about in the Bible and in all the ancient writings. And of course, uh, actually every event that I do around the world, I always ask this question. Uh, I asked by show of hands, how many people in the audience have had the experience of dying temporarily and having the experience where they actually leave their body and they can actually look back down and see their body, um, maybe in the car wreck or maybe on the operating table or whatever.

And every event that I do, um, it’s, I would say it’s probably about 1% of the audience that will raise their hand that have had that experience. So, uh, you know, back in 1905, they, um, some scientists did a study on this and what they did is they devised, uh, this, this, um, this study where what they would do is when people were close to dying, when they’re in their very last few minutes of life, they would wheel them into this room that had an extremely fine scale in it, um, in the shape of a, you know, basically of a, of a bed. They would put people onto this scale and then they would measure their weight very precisely because they wanted to determine if when a person dies, uh, there’s a spirit that leaves the body because the, the, the theory was, if that’s true, the body might change its weight slightly.

And they absolutely found that to be true.

[Julie Jancius] (28:54 – 28:58)

Wow. Really? How much did it change by?

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (28:59 – 29:22)

21 grams. And that is where that was an average. And, um, really interesting.

They found that, um, with some people that weight would change immediately when they would die and other people, uh, the weight wouldn’t change for the wild. Some people would kind of, apparently their spirit would just kind of stay in their body for a while until they decided to leave. And then suddenly the weight would change.

Isn’t that interesting?

[Julie Jancius] (29:24 – 31:04)

Fascinating. Yes. Okay.

So, um, I’ve been playing with this lately. Um, I was having like kind of, um, rough month in the summer. I went over to my chiropractor’s office and I just talked to him.

He’s so fascinating. And he really says things in a way that just other people don’t say, don’t you just like love those type of people? So I’m like, okay, I’m going through this, you know, what is this?

You know, ADHD, brain fog, perimenopause, all this stuff. And he’s like, are you having mind rumination? And I was like, yes, the same thing keeps coming back again and again.

And again, he said, okay, have you looked at polyvagal theory? And I’m like, no, what’s polyvagal theory. And it’s kind of like looking at your nervous system and how you regulate your nervous system.

And he said, stop the mind rumination and watch your nervous system just kind of like come back. I have been playing around with this. And the reason that I’m bringing this up is because I think that the mind rumination is connected to the heart wall.

Have you found that at all? Where the heart wall energetically is tied to the mind protective mechanisms of creating mind rumination, you start to think about situations that haven’t even happened, but your mind is trying to protect you in different ways. Yeah, how are these connected?

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (31:04 – 31:58)

Yeah, well, absolutely. Well, it depends on what emotional energies are trapped in the heart, because in the emotion code and the heart code, we use the same chart and it looks like this. There’s 60 emotions on this chart.

It’s divided up into two columns and six rows. And so it really depends on what’s trapped in there. And you never know until you start actually releasing these energies.

But let’s say, for example, you have an inherited emotion that was received when you were conceived. We get these at conception. Let’s say you got this from your mother, who got it from her mother, who got it from her mother, who got it from her mother, and it occurred in her life.

And maybe let’s say the emotion was betrayal because her husband had an affair.

[Julie Jancius] (31:59 – 31:59)

Yeah.

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (31:59 – 33:36)

And so she was very betrayed. And that was a profound emotion. And that ended up being passed down the line.

And so now you have that emotional energy. Maybe your subconscious mind used that energy, that trapped emotional energy, to form one of the layers of your heart wall. Well, wherever that energy is lodged, but I think especially if it’s lodged around the heart, the brain will be in a little bit better connection with that specific emotion.

And so in your own life, a couple of interesting things might happen. You might tend to be more likely, first of all, to be a little bit hyper aware of being betrayed because of that energy. But you also might, because you see your heart especially, as well as the rest of your body, but your heart especially is radiating out energy out into the world.

And when that energy that your heart is radiating is changed in its frequency by the emotional layers that surround the heart, one of those being this betrayal, what ends up happening is you’re really sending out a little bit of betrayal energy into the world. And so what happens is you tend to attract people into your life that may actually end up betraying you because that’s the energy that you’re putting out. That’s one of the really interesting things about trapped emotions is that they’re putting out this energy and then it’s drawing things to you that a lot of the time you don’t really want.

[Julie Jancius] (33:36 – 35:06)

Well, and I think nine times out of 10, you would talk to somebody and they’re like, no, no, no, I’m not doing that. And you’re like, but wait, you got to look at it from this perspective. And these are so subtle that I think that they’re just so hard to work with.

I also feel that they’re very, very layered. I mean, like we’re probably always doing this work until the day that we pass. There’s so much here.

I want to go back to that forward because Tony Robbins wrote the forward to your book and he talks about how it doesn’t have to be even from your family that you’re healing this, even from experiences that you’ve gone through. We’re at a point within the collective consciousness here on earth where to me, the energy is like the worst pimple that you’ve ever gotten, right? Like it just needs to pop.

It needs to like start the healing process, but it hasn’t popped yet. And we’re tuning into these collective energies and that’s very hard because so many people are very, very highly empathic. And a lot of people, I think really need to get into this work and spirituality because they’re living so much.

That’s just not themselves. They’re living the collective energy. Where does this come into the heart code, heart walls, and how do we, through your methods, look at what’s collective versus what’s individual?

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (35:08 – 38:34)

Well, the interesting thing about it is I look at it all in terms of individual vibration. So in other words, if you think about your own being, we’re beings of light. And when we have emotional baggage, what ends up happening is that emotional baggage, you can think of as being like bags of sand or ropes that are anchoring the hot air balloon of your specific energy body to the earth.

The trapped emotions that we have are low frequencies, they’re low vibrations, and they anchor you into the low frequencies of the world. And that’s where all of the collective energies are. They’re all low frequencies, pretty much.

There are some in there that are high, but basically what happens is that you start to remove these and you start to cut yourself loose from these emotions that are trapped in your body from the things you’ve been through, or from the things your ancestors went through, or from the things your mother or father were going through when you were in the womb. What ends up happening is, just like a hot air balloon, when you start cutting those bags of sand or throwing them out, you start to become lighter, and pretty soon you’re starting to ascend. One of my favorite stories is from one of our practitioners who said that she went to a woman’s house and worked on her and released some trapped emotions, and her 10-year-old son was there.

And so she ended up working on this woman’s son as well, and she cleared some trapped emotions from this boy. And all of a sudden, when she was done, he got up and ran out of the room. And they kind of looked at each other, and about a minute later he comes back into the room looking totally befuddled.

And his mother looked at him and she said, are you okay? And he said, well, yeah. And she said, what’s going on?

And she said, well, I weighed myself this morning, and I know exactly how much I weighed this morning. And he said, I can’t figure it out, but he said, I weigh exactly the same now, but I feel like I’m about 10 pounds lighter. Isn’t that interesting?

And that’s a very common thing, as you know. When these energies are released, we feel lighter. So really, what’s it all about?

I mean, when people talk about becoming an ascended being, what is that about? Well, to me, it’s all about the heart. And you see, it’s all about love.

It’s about our ability to love others. And that’s one of the really amazing things about this work, is that as you release that wall around your heart and your other emotional baggage, your ability to feel love increases. Your ability to give love increases.

And it’s not at all unusual for people to find love that never thought they would. In fact, just a couple of months ago, one of our practitioners told us that she was working on this elderly woman who’s in a nursing home, who’s basically a spinster. She’d never been in love, never been in a long-term relationship her whole entire life.

She’s in her 80s now in this nursing home. And so this practitioner worked on her, released her heart wall. And within a week, she fell in love with another elderly man a few doors down in the nursing home.

Isn’t that sweet?

[Julie Jancius] (38:34 – 38:35)

Yes.

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (38:36 – 39:43)

It’s so sweet. So this kind of thing happens. In fact, I have to tell you another story, because it points out how really the cosmic quantum nature of our beings.

And this is a story told to us by another of our practitioners. She said that her sister called her one day, and she said that she wanted her to come and work on her. She said she’d been divorced, or no, I’m sorry, she’d been, I think it was a widow, for nine years.

And she said she was tired of being alone and wanted to find somebody because she wasn’t getting any younger. And so she said to her sister, will you please come work on me and use the emotion code and see what you can find? So when she went over there, she started to work on her, found her sister had a heart wall.

And so she released all the emotions making up that wall. And she spent the weekend with her sister and was able to get rid of all those emotions. Now, what do you think happened on Monday?

[Julie Jancius] (39:44 – 39:46)

Oh my God, she met someone.

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (39:46 – 40:58)

Well, I don’t know, but the phone started to ring. Because that heart wall now suddenly was gone. And so suddenly there’s a communication, you see, we’re all communicating all the time.

Dr. Rupert Sheldrake from Oxford refers to this as the morphic field. This field of energy that fills the universe that contains all the information about us and about what’s going on. And so that energy of hers went out into the world.

And then these guys that had known her before, all of a sudden started thinking about her. Gee, I haven’t thought of her in a long time. I wonder what she’s doing.

You know, I’m going to give her a call. Every year, when I was in practice for about 18 years, every year, my office manager and I would take out all the files of the people that we had not seen in the previous year. And we would just look at the person’s photo and think of them for a moment, go to the next file.

And we’d sit on the floor to do this with a stack of files. And the amazing thing was the following week, about 80% of those people would call and make an appointment to come in. Inevitably, it was the most amazing thing.

[Julie Jancius] (40:58 – 41:00)

I do that too. That is so funny.

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (41:01 – 41:01)

There you go.

[Julie Jancius] (41:02 – 41:22)

Yes. Well, I just, I say to this soul, thank you so much for letting me work with you in the past. I just want to check in with you.

I just want to see how you’re doing and if there’s anything that I can serve you with from a distance or in person. And then you’re so right, like it’s 80% of the time they reach out to you. Yes.

Yes.

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (41:22 – 42:14)

So what that proves, you see, is that there’s something going on more than what we’re aware of. Right? Yes.

We have these other senses. I mean, if you walk into a room that’s completely pitch black, but there’s a person in there, you know, there’s a person in there, right? Sure.

Yeah. None of your five senses are telling you, but there are other senses that we have. And so when the wall is taken down from the heart, then suddenly, you see, Julie, I believe that within each one of us, within the heart of each one of us is a blueprint for the perfect life that we can live.

And when we have a wall that’s been put up around the heart with all these negative emotions, all the grief and discouragement and rejection and betrayal and so on, then it makes it much more difficult for us to follow our heart. And that’s probably the best advice. It’s great advice, right?

Follow your heart. But if you’ve got a heart wall, wow, it’s a lot more difficult. Yeah.

[Julie Jancius] (42:14 – 42:14)

For sure.

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (42:14 – 45:58)

So when the wall is taken down, then suddenly things can really change. You know, one of the most dramatic stories that I can share with your listeners was a young boy that was brought in to see us. And his, what had happened was his, it started off where he wouldn’t turn in his homework or sometimes he wouldn’t do his homework.

And he’s nine years old, remember? And his mother sometimes would come into his room at night and he’d be on the floor. And she’d say, what are you doing on the floor?

And he’d say, I don’t deserve to be in a bed. And she thought, what? What is going on?

And, and it got worse. One day she paid a surprise visit to his school only to find his teacher berating him for being pathetic because she couldn’t get any work out of him. And it was, it was funny because he had kind of this grimace, you know, or this kind of a grin that was pasted on all the time.

I think he knew he was supposed to be happy, but he was not. She took him to see a psychiatrist and a psychologist. And she was told that he was clinically depressed, but that they couldn’t help him because he wouldn’t admit that he was depressed and his mom didn’t want to put him on medication.

So she didn’t know what to do. She took him out of school immediately, tried to do homeschool with him. That didn’t work either.

And then she heard about this heart wall phenomenon. And one of the most powerful things that we have seen over many years now is suicidally depressed people will shift. In every case that we have seen, they will completely shift when that wall is taken down.

Every suicidally depressed person that we’ve seen, every severe depression that we’ve seen has always had a heart wall. And so when the wall is taken down, you know, it just shifts dramatically. Well, anyway, so she heard about this.

We went, she brought him to see us, my wife and I. And we found, sure enough, he had a heart wall. And this wall consisted of a number of different layers of trapped emotional energy that all had to do with the tragedies that had happened in their family.

We finally got to the very last emotion, the one that had started this. And it had happened at a family reunion at a lake where his big sister, who was 12 years old, was babysitting him and his little cousin and another little boy that was also five years old at the time. And they were out on this dock at this lake, no adult supervision.

This little boy, she was trying to teach him how to swim, and he disappeared into the dock. And about 45 minutes later, the divers retrieved his body, and of course, he was dead and gone. And the overwhelming guilt, if you can imagine having something so horrific happen as the babysitter, the overwhelming guilt that she felt immediately became absorbed into his body and formed immediately into a wall around his heart, because his heart was breaking for her and also that he just lost his best friend.

So we cleared that emotion, and that was it. There was no more heart wall. And so she took him home, and for the next couple of days, he was just lying around, kind of feeling lethargic.

And she thought, well, it doesn’t look like that worked either. But on the morning of the third day after we worked on him, he got himself up early, got his backpack and his little lunchbox and came downstairs. And he said, Mom, I can go back to school now.

I’m a happy pappy. That’s a direct quote. And he went back to school, and all of his learning disabilities were gone.

And he went into the program for advanced kids because he was so smart. He didn’t have a fake kind of a pasted-on grimace anymore. He was normal suddenly.

And she told us that if she had not been open to something so radically different, that her son would not have survived. And he is, gosh, I think he’s 36 years old now. I’ve lost touch with him, but I think he had a couple of kids last time I knew, but he probably wouldn’t have made it, see?

So that took us about a half hour, and it was a half hour we’ll never, ever regret.

[Julie Jancius] (45:59 – 46:29)

When it comes to this work, I’m so fascinated by the study that you did with the HeartMath Institute and just the aha moments maybe that you would have had in your studies with. I just think it’s so fun to explore all that they’ve done with the heart. Anything stand out to share with the audience about HeartMath and just how you’ve tied that in with your work as well?

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (46:29 – 46:34)

Well, we haven’t actually done a study with them yet, although we’d really like to.

[Julie Jancius] (46:34 – 46:35)

Yeah, you should.

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (46:36 – 49:08)

Yeah, right. I know. Yeah, we really need to.

We’re actually working on that. Good. Yeah, because we really need to.

Well, they have revealed so much information about the heart, about heart rate coherence and heart rate variability, and how when we’re feeling positive emotions, our heartbeats become more coherent, and then we’re able to communicate better with the heart. Because really, the way I look at this is that all the great teachers, all the great gurus and spiritual teachers throughout time, I think, have in their own way been trying to teach us that we really need to live not from the brain in our heads, but from the brain that’s in our hearts. And HeartMath, of course, is scientifically quantifying these fascinating aspects of the heartbeat and how, depending on what we’re feeling, it affects our heartbeat.

And, you know, when scientists looked at the communications between the brain and the head and the brain and the heart, they found most of those communications traveling from the heart to the brain, which is just exactly the opposite of what they thought they would see, right? Indicating that the brains in our heads are obeying the messages being sent by the brains that are in our hearts. So it’s amazing.

The little brain in the heart, 40,000 dendrites, just like the brain in our heads. And, you know, I remember when I was a kid in the 1960s when they did the first heart transplant. I remember we used to get Life Magazine, big magazine.

There was a big spread on Dr. Richard DeBakey in South Africa did the first heart transplant. It was unbelievable, right? And the interesting thing is when heart transplants began to become more routine, they began to notice some weird things.

Sometimes patients would come back to them reporting that they had inherited somehow with this new heart, not only a completely different taste in food or music or sports, but also sometimes memories of being in cities in the world that they never had ever visited.

[Julie Jancius] (49:08 – 49:09)

Wow.

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (49:10 – 50:00)

And then when they would connect these people with the family of the heart donor, they would always find out, well, yes, our daughter loved Rome and she’d visit there every chance she got. Now you have memories of being in Rome at the Trevi Fountain, you know, or the Coliseum, and you never in your life have ever been there. So those are her memories.

How bizarre is that, right? And there are whole books written about this. It’s called Cellular Memory.

And I believe really that we’re living in the age of the heart. And I think heart math started quite a number of years ago, doing this tremendous service to help people understand all about what’s really going on with the heart scientifically. And I think that they’ve, I think they’ve done a great thing.

And I do really look forward to doing some work with them, doing a study.

[Julie Jancius] (50:01 – 51:03)

Oh, please let me know. Oh my gosh, that would just be phenomenal. The angels have said, I always love working with you.

We’ve done a couple of things together and it’s just always a great time. Dr. Nelson, the angels have come in and said, bring in love. Like Julie, just imagine that there is just this beautiful waterfall of love as big as this earth.

It’s gentle, it’s loving, and bring in this immense love. Because the love on the other side is different. It’s so much, it’s like love times infinite infinity here.

It’s greater. And bring that vibration here to earth. And I saw you talk about love a lot in this book.

And how do you think this world would shift if we all got rid of these heart walls and just everybody brings in this immense amount of love?

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (51:03 – 51:17)

So sometimes these people that come back, sometimes people that come back from the other side will say that for the first time in their whole life, they felt total acceptance. They felt totally accepted on the other side, right?

[Julie Jancius] (51:17 – 51:17)

Yes.

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (51:18 – 51:24)

What we get to do, what our challenge is, is to create that world here. Yes.

[Julie Jancius] (51:24 – 51:27)

I think that that’s what we’re supposed to do.

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (51:27 – 51:30)

Yeah, that’s our job, right? Think about that.

[Julie Jancius] (51:30 – 51:58)

Oh my gosh. And Spirit is just saying to anybody who’s listening right now, who feels that, like that just gave you the shivers all over your body that just resonated, like it is your job to bring through love as we feel it in heaven. It is.

I want you to listen to that. It is your job. That is your job.

And I think that my younger self used to overcomplicate things, like it’s got to be bigger, it’s got to be more. It’s not. That’s it.

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (51:59 – 55:34)

No. No, it’s so simple, really. It’s just love.

And the beautiful thing about the heart code, the emotion code, is that as we take down those emotions, especially the emotions that surround the heart, then our ability to love and feel love enhances. We start to become elevated and it’s all about it. It’s so simple, really.

It’s all about that one thing. It’s all about love. And you know, when people die and go to the other side and they have some kind of a life review, they’re never ever asked, you know, how big of a house did you live in?

Or how fancy of a car did you drive? How much money was in your bank account? Never, right?

No. Instead, it’s about the number one question seems to be how much love, what’s your capacity to love others, right? And so I really do believe that’s our job here in this world, is to accept others, right?

And that acceptance is the fruit of unconditional love. And so, right, and as we grow, yeah, as we grow in our own ability to love others and love others unconditionally, wow, the energy of that is so high. And as more people begin to radiate it and vibrate at that level, the vibration level of the whole earth rises.

And then I’ll tell you something, Julie, I really do believe that the earth, in a sense, is in labor. It’s in labor trying to give birth to this new world. And we’re the midwives at this labor, right?

Those of us who are doing energy medicine, who are trying to take down these walls and enhance people’s ability to love, because it really, truly is all about that one thing. It’s all about love. And I’ll tell you something else.

I really believe this. I believe, you know how in Star Wars, they talked about this concept called the force, right? That’s in everything and through everything, right?

Well, I’ll tell you, I believe that’s actually real. And I think what it is, it’s not in the sense that exactly as they describe it, but what I believe is that the love that emanates from the presence of God that fills the immensity of space is actually what is giving life to everything in this world. It’s keeping us alive from one moment to the next.

It’s keeping the planets in orbit. And, you know, I had a crazy experience one day. I went for a walk early in the morning one morning, and the sun had just come up.

And I was sitting on top of this big hill at this park, and there was this lake down below me. And it was just like a mirror, the water and the trees and everything. I’m just sitting there kind of meditating.

And all of a sudden, it was like my spiritual eyes were opened. And I suddenly comprehended something that I had never thought of. And it was that every blade of grass and every leaf on every tree and every rock and everything is in a constant state of praise to the Creator.

And it was like an understanding that just suddenly opened and then closed. It was like, it was like I was suddenly able to see with different eyes, right, and comprehend that. But it is all about love.

[Julie Jancius] (55:35 – 56:10)

Yeah. The last question that I want to know, wherever you can find your book and your website, but like I feel energy palpably. I call that force oneness.

And when I was reading your book and the parts where you talked about love, oh, that expansive feeling of just love. I feel it like I don’t feel that I’m always inside my body. I feel that I start at the center of my heart, but that I can feel my energy 20 feet, 60 feet, even more expansively outside of me.

Do you feel that as well?

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (56:11 – 58:07)

Well, you know, we all have different gifts and different sensibilities and so on. And for me, I wouldn’t really describe it that way. But for me, just recently, I’ve begun to kind of have this sensation where as I look at the mountains, for example, it’s like I am perceiving something different.

Like they’re in a state of joy. Yes. Like everything that I see is kind of in this state of joy.

And human beings, on the other hand, are, you know, at different levels. And, and the vast majority of us, right, are kind of anchored into these low frequencies. But, but I really do believe that this new, there’s a whole new world coming.

It’s been prophesied. It’s been predicted and spoken about, you know, for ages and ages. And, you know, we’ve done seminars all over the world and in different places over the years, people have come up to us and they’ve told us amazing things, like how they had a near-death experience and they saw this work help to transform the world.

They saw this work shift things in the world and, and people have had visions and dreams and all kinds of things. So, so it’s been, it’s been an amazing journey for us, but it’s, you know, this is not about us. This, this work, the, the heart code, the emotion code, the body code.

And, and by the way, people can order, they can pre-order the heart code on Amazon, et cetera. It comes out the 2nd of December. If you go to my website at drbradleynelson.com, that’s d-r-b-r-a-d-l-e-y-n-a-l-s-o-n.com, you can order more books than just one.

[Julie Jancius] (58:07 – 58:17)

Dr. Nelson, thank you so much for being with us here on the podcast. I just think the world of you, and I’m just so gracious that you shared this time with us today.

[Dr. Bradley Nelson] (58:18 – 58:24)

Well, Ditto, thank you so much, Julie, for having me on. It’s, it’s always great to be on your show. I love you and thank you for all your help.

[Julie Jancius] (58:26 – 1:00:17)

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