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What if money could be only a source of joy? I’m joined by financial intuitive Elizabeth Husserl to explore how to heal your relationship with money by treating it as a spiritual partner. We discuss how to have actual conversations with money, identify your money archetypes, and use her Wealth Mandala tool to design a life of meaning that includes—but isn’t defined by—financial abundance. If you’ve ever felt anxious or avoidant about finances, this conversation is your doorway to freedom.

TIMESTAMPED OVERVIEW

00:00 Introduction and Invitation to Angel Reiki School

03:25 Julie Introduces Guest Elizabeth Husserl and Her New Book

04:52 The Misconception of Abundance and the Search for Meaning

06:56 Defining True Wealth Beyond Financial Capital

09:08 The Exercise: What Would You Say to Money?

14:06 How to Have a Real Conversation with Money

17:04 Elizabeth’s First Transformative Conversation with Money

20:56 Money Archetypes: Understanding Your Financial Patterns

23:51 Introducing the Wealth Mandala: A Holistic View of Abundance

32:55 Navigating Financial Anxiety and Market Cycles

39:44 Healing Ancestral and Generational Money Trauma

43:47 Escaping Codependency with Money 50:10 Money’s Final Message and the 30-Day Satiation Challenge

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TRANSCRIPT:

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Julie Jancius

[00.00.00]

 Friends. Before we dive in, I want to extend an invitation into something sacred that could be part of your unfolding. I’m hosting three Angel Reiki schools. Upcoming in person September 19th. November 7th. January 23rd. Those are all the dates when they start. When you join, you don’t just receive one certification, you’re initiated into three in the Angel Reiki School. Mediumship, energy healing and becoming an Angel messenger yourself. This is a one stop sanctuary where all of your spiritual gifts are activated and grown together. Your unique gifts. People are called to this program for so many reasons. Some are searching for a second career that is deeply fulfilling, one where they can witness lives transformed through the creative, soul led work that they’re putting out into the world. One that starts with the Angel Reiki School. Others feel the longing to create an income that supports the life they’ve always dreamed of more time, freedom, the ability to take family vacations to be their walking their children to school and be there when they get home from school to make the memories that matter most in this life, I often remind my students to say out loud, I am a high six figure angel medium. Time and time again, they come back to share how claiming that vision and going through the Angel Reiki School has opened new doors to financial abundance, radiant joy and the freedom to live a life on their terms. Yes, it does take devotion to build your own business, but the Angel Reiki School is where you begin. You might not yet understand why your soul is being pulled here, but once you step in, I promise you’ll feel it. The remembering, the recognition, the sense of coming home. And because the Angel Reiki school weekends are so intimate, so wonderful, alumni love coming back that you don’t have to, but they love the energy so incredibly much. They asked to come back. So we did include an alumni option where you can. But because the Angel Reiki school weekends are so intimate, half of our in-person dates sell out. So if you feel that stirring in your heart, trust it. Save your space now. I keep our our groups small on purpose so that I get to know every single one of you well and join us for one of the upcoming Angel Reiki School weekends. Remember, that’s in September, November, or January. All of them start on a Friday evening at 6 p.m., and all of them end by Sunday, somewhere in between 12 to 2. You can register at

Julie Jancius

[00.02.59]

 the Angel Medium.com certified. Step into the Angel Reiki School today and begin to embody your spiritual gifts to the fullest expression. Everyone who joins the Angel Reiki School gets access to both the online and in-person school. Joined today. The Angel Medium.com. Now here’s today’s episode.

[00.03.25]

 Hello

Julie Jancius

[00.03.25]

 beautiful souls. Welcome back to the Angels and Awakening podcast. I’m your host and author, Julie, Jancis and friends. I kid you not, I have been praying and praying and praying for spirit to bring me somebody like today’s guest and um, I haven’t found the right person until now. And you know that the guests that I bring on, I really don’t bring you people unless I really resonate with their message, because I just don’t want to pull anyone on to this podcast. I want you to have people who, you know, you can be like, yes, I really love this. I love what they’re saying. I believe in what they’re saying because we’re a community. And Elizabeth, you just fit in this community. You’re like family already. Elizabeth Husserl, um, she wrote the book, the new book. It’s called The Power of Enough finding Joy in Your Relationship with money. Oh my goodness, Elizabeth, welcome to the

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.04.33]

 show. Oh my gosh, Julie, I cannot tell you how excited I am to be here. As you were giving that introduction, I could just feel this tingling through my body, which doesn’t happen in every podcast I’m in. It just like feels like I’m exactly where I need to be in this conversation with you in your community today. So it is so mutual. Thank

Julie Jancius

[00.04.52]

 you. Well, here’s why. You know, I think there is so much content out there, people out there who are talking about money in this way of like, let’s just make more and more and more and more and more and more and more. And when you work with presidents and CEOs, when you work with change makers behind the scenes and people who are making a huge difference in this world, you go, oh my gosh, there is a point at which money is really not the thing that they want at all. It’s time, it’s joy, it’s family, it’s connection, it’s relationships. And money is just the tool. And I think that so many people have this misconception in their brains that like, abundance just means money. Manifestation just means manifesting more money. And I think if we could all see money more so the way that you do, we would find a deeper spirituality and a really a deeper enjoyment of our

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.05.58]

 lives. I mean, 100%. Julie and I wrote the subtitle, right, finding Joy in Our Relationship to Money on Purpose. I know that’s triggering. And people are like, wait, I don’t know if I experience joy. And I think if I were to bring together those ingredients that you just said joy, connection, family, you know, purpose. For me, all of that is umbrella under this idea of what people are actually looking for is meaning.

Julie Jancius

[00.06.23]

 And if we

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.06.24]

 start to really do the work of decoupling money from wealth and understanding wealth as that state of well-being, money is a tool, a really important one. It’s a technology, right? I work with people money every day of my life, but I have to guide them to be like money is one of the many resources that can build wealth, but you can feel wealthy in your life without adding one more dollar to your bank account. Because wealth is defined so much more holistically when you really understand what that is.

Julie Jancius

[00.06.56]

 Mhm. So walk us through because um, you know, this is another thing that I tell my audience I feel energy, I see energy palpably. And you, when you work with thousands and thousands of people each year, you can see, you know, 99% of people are working through this, 50% of people are working through this. And I got to tell you, Elizabeth, there is only one client that I have worked with and well over 10,000 that didn’t have any money stuff

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.07.27]

 whatsoever. Yeah. One know and I agree. I mean, I 100% agree with you. Like everyone who walks into my office. I mean, the first thing they tell me, Julie, is like, I want so much money. I don’t have to think about it, right? And so I just smile because I’m like, I’ve had that thought. And you, 9.9% of us have had that same thought. And I just smile and I tell them, okay, well, what happens if I were to tell my husband, hey, babe, I want so many of you that one of you is going to wake up every day in a good mood, right? It doesn’t work that way. The key piece of being in relationship with money is actually not having so much of it that we avoid it, right? Avoidance is disconnection. The key piece in our relationship to money is a understanding. We’re in relationship with it, and then knowing how to be in that relationship so that you don’t miss the wealth by by grasping so hard to money. Right. And I think you said something really important, Julie. So many people think that abundance and manifestation is more about money and coming back to I don’t need people to become the CEOs or the presidents of countries to actually know how to create wealth in your life. That is why I wrote the book, is that I think that everyone can start to become more wealthy. Just if we start to have a different context, framework and experience. And I think the really key piece, it’s not about accumulating, manifesting or calling in more. It’s about learning how to embody wealth, right? How do you experience wealth in your body, in all your different centers? Your heart, your vitality, your mind, your soul? How do you experience wealth differently? That’s what’s going to change us as a society and to having a different relationship to it. So.

Julie Jancius

[00.09.08]

 Okay, I have to tell you that. Seven. Yes. Oh, like

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.09.11]

 you’re good. Gets juicy.

Julie Jancius

[00.09.13]

 Oh, yeah. Let’s just dive. Let’s go for it. Um, run a program. It’s called the Angel Reiki School. I teach people how to do what I do and become healers and start their own businesses or develop their gifts to the max. Mediumship, angel messages, energy healing. And every time when people come in in person, what I have them do as an exercise, I have them write down um, how much money? If you want to start your own business, how much money do you want that business to make each year? And you know, you collect all of them and then I read them all out. Don’t put any names with them. And it’s just wild because some people come in and they say, I want my business to make $1 million a year, $500,000 a year. And then some people say $60,000 a year, $40,000 a year. And I show people that’s all your money mindset. That is what you believe is possible for yourself. Now, what’s different between your gift and your gift? You’re both trained the same way. You both have equally talented, skilled resources within. You’re both equally talented. But one person believes that they can have $1 million business a year, and one person believes that they can have a $40,000 a year business. Talk me through how you started to notice, like your own hangups and your own stories with money and how you shifted that. Yeah, and I’ll actually use that example, Julie, because if I were, you know, co-leading that workshop with you, I would ask people the second question right after you have them write that dollar amount. It’s like, okay, great, you wrote your dollar amount. What is the first thing you would say to money if you walked into the room? Right. What’s the first thing you hear when you start to channel it as a spiritual partner? Because I think, to answer your question, the hang ups are in that internal conversation that we have with money, right? It’s not just the money mindset of like, oh, do I think I’m worthy enough of that dollar times? Why it’s hard to connect to the numbers because it feels so abstract. Money can feel really abstract to a lot of people. You’re like, sure, I’ll say $1 million. I don’t know what that really means, right? Someone could say that. But if you get them talking about their relationship, what’s the first thing they would say to it? You get to the core of

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.11.33]

 what’s right at that root. Beautiful soul. I just want to take a moment and say, I am so excited to share something truly sacred with you. This October 3rd, fourth, and fifth will gather for the Women’s Retreat. Three days of deep rejuvenation, angelic connection, and soul remembrance. If you’ve been feeling disconnected, unsure of your future, or longing for something more, this retreat was created just for you. Imagine stepping away from the weight of daily life into an energetic sanctuary where you’re held, supported and guided back to the truth of who you are. Here you’ll laugh, release and reconnect with your soul’s deepest yearnings. This is your time to reconnect with your angels and awaken to the next chapter of your journey. And because I never want finances to stand in the way of a retreat, I’ve created a scholarship option just for this retreat. If your heart is called this space, friends, I promise it’s a waiting just for you. Come join us at the Angel Medium.com backslash retreat. Say yes to your soul. Say yes to your angels. Say yes to this retreat. Questions? Email me at Julie at

Julie Jancius

[00.13.00]

 the Angel Medium.com. And now here we go back into the show. So I’ve had people who will push the computer screen away and I’m like, oh my goodness, there is something there that is edgy. Did you feel smothered by someone in money? Did you feel manipulated? Right. So there’s a lot to touch base I have people who lean into the screen and are like, money. Where have you been my whole life? Right. Or money? I want more of you. And you’re like, huh? You’re more of the kind of anxious attachment

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.13.27]

 style, right? I have people who go blank and are like, I wouldn’t even know what to say to you. Money, because I don’t know how you work. And so I think that’s the key question is what would you say to money will give you so much insight into their relational style with it and where their blocks are. And then and a lot of times will ask them, Julie, the follow up question is like, who does that sound like,

Julie Jancius

[00.13.50]

 right? Who do you actually

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.13.52]

 feel like you’re having a conversation with? Was it a parent? Is that how you treat your spouse? Is it how you treat your best friend and you start to be like, oh, a lot of our relationship style is reflected in our relationship to money. It’s

Julie Jancius

[00.14.03]

 the fastest way to

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.14.04]

 go deep to the core.

Julie Jancius

[00.14.06]

 So I noticed some parallels between your work and my work when I was reading this book. And you know, when I am teaching people how to connect with their intuition, when you first start talking with your angels, when you first start talking with loved ones on the other side. It feels funny. At first it feels like, am I making this up? Like, really? What is happening? But you have to work through that discomfort. And in the same way, you really ask people to talk to money, have a relationship with the money. And so let’s back up a little bit and just explain, like what does that look like in an everyday scenario. What does that mean. Yeah.

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.14.46]

 And so you know, I love that you bring in this piece around loved ones. Right. Because I truly treat money as if it were a family member. So if that’s the easiest way to think about it. Right. And so it’s like you have pictures of your family around your house, your favorite vacations. I actually have framed bills around my house, and I say hello to money all the time. Julie I’m like, hey, honey, great to see you there. Oh yeah, that was the $2 bill that my dad gave me. That’s a $50 bill. That’s whatever. Like that’s different currency. And so I treat it like a family member first and foremost, because I recognize I’m in relationship with it, good or bad, right? Sometimes we fight, sometimes we’re super close, but I’m not turning my back towards it. Then the second piece is much like we all know, a relationship isn’t going to work if we don’t spend quality time with the people we loved. Right. And when you start to sit down and have these conversations with money, I’m like you, Julie. I’ve had thousands of conversations with money and clients. Money’s biggest gripe is like, I feel freaking taken advantage of, right? You want me to show up in all these ways and do all these things? And no one asks me my opinion. No one asks me if I like this. No one like. And money. It’s it. It becomes a really big advocate and kind of like an asset to your team if you start to include it because it wants to feel included, it often has really good opinions for you, and it often can tell you if you’re kind of going in one direction, you need a fear. And so what I tell people, if that is too much of a stretch, much like you probably tell people talking to angels or people on the other side might be a little bit of a stretch. We all have a part of ourselves that pays checks. Write checks, pays bills, you know. Balances, whatever. Like does our monthly spend. So if you can talk to the part of you that where’s the money pants in the relationship. Right. Because I bet you that part has something to say. And so I think the framework is one to be like, oh, I’m in a relationship. Two, you need to spend quality time with this entity, this energy, this person you’re in relationship with. And then three. This is not a monologue. This is not a let me tell you money what I think of you. This is more like hey, something to say. And it’s amazing. And I’m happy to give you some of my real life kind of like experiences with this conversation because it’s been life changing.

Julie Jancius

[00.17.04]

 Yes, please go for it. So I’m gonna give you two. I’m going to give you, like, my first one and then a recent one that I just had. So my first one, you know, 26 I learned this. It’s a gestalt chair exercise. Right. So if anyone who’s been in therapy, it’s the empty chair exercise. You put money on a chair in front of you. Right. And like I’m describing, you literally have a time to just, like, emotionally share what’s on your on your chest. Money gets a chance to speak back. So I’m in a workshop right in grad school. You know, they share about this exercise. We all feel resistance because I’m like, oh my God. Inter groan, am I really going to do this? But I sat down and I did it and oh my gosh, Julie, like what came out of my mouth was like, God damn it, money! I have hung up my shingle, my shingle. I have such an amazing work to offer people. And you’re not showing up. And money’s like, whoa, Elizabeth, back up! You are holding onto me too tight. You are trying to be an entrepreneur. The reality is both of your parents were W-2, right? They got a paycheck. No one has taught you how to be an entrepreneur. I get it, it’s hard. It’s different. That’s not my fault. How about you take out to lunch the three most successful people you know, ask them how they got started. And I was like, wait, what? I was like, you actually gave me an idea. B, you’re telling me to take responsibility for the things that aren’t going well in my life? And then three, you’re saying, hey, you know, you can solve this and I will be right there with you. So that was an eye opening moment, Julie, where I realized I was holding on to money, much like I was. You know, I would nag at my boyfriends at the time. I’m like, you’re not showing up. And so when I told my boyfriend, he was like, oh my God, I feel so understood. Me and money get it right. So I started to understand that was just my relationship style and I started for a year. Julie, to literally every morning I’d have my cup of tea and I would sit down and have these conversations with money, and I’d go left and I’d go right, and he’d be like, talk to this dude. And I just started to feel that instead of money being an adversary, it was my ally. Mhm. And that was at 26. Fast forward I’ve been in financial advising for 20 years. You know I do this for a living. I love what I do. And I was on my book tour right. And earlier in the year we all know that the stock market went through a pullback. Right. And we’re always we we saw that the stock market pulled back. And we’re always going to go through cycles with the stock market. And I was like God damn it money I don’t have time for this right. Because when you go down is when my phone starts ringing every all my clients start calling. They need some hand-holding. And I’m like, I got people to see book talks to do. I just didn’t have time for it. And so I sat down. So I sat down to have this conversation with money. I’m like, money, I don’t have time for this, right? Like, stop

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.19.55]

 screwing around. And money is like, whoa, whoa, whoa, you can’t control me, right? We’ve had this conversation before. I’m going to go up. I’m going to go down. So what’s at the core of your discomfort? And I was like, you know what? Money. I’m feeling responsible. And money was like responsible for what I’m like. I’m feeling responsible for my clients emotions. And money is like, remember, Elizabeth, you are not responsible for their emotions. You need to show up and respond to. I was like. That’s great advice. I feel so much better. And so I just wanted to give like two bookmarks of like my first conversation with money when I was railing my fist at it and then my conversation with money 20 years into it, where we have a deep, intimate relationship and we still get at each other at times. It is my responsibility, Julie, to make the time to talk to it. Right. It’s my responsibility to take ownership for what’s mine and let money do its own thing in relationship. To me,

Julie Jancius

[00.20.56]

 there’s an intuition to everything in life. I believe that on the other side in heaven, there’s places that we study. We learn about different things. You could say Mozart, Beethoven. They studied at the School of Music on the other side before they came through here. And there’s an intuition behind money. There are angels behind money. There’s

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.21.21]

 archetypes behind money.

Julie Jancius

[00.21.23]

 Explain that. So people who don’t understand what archetypes are.

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.21.27]

 Archetypes is a collective Just pattern, right, that we can embody. And so when I think of money archetypes, right, there’s the innocent money archetype that gets overwhelmed by money. Six their head in the sand. Right. There’s the warrior

Julie Jancius

[00.21.41]

 archetype that it’s like, I’m just going to go drive over anyone and everyone to go make more money, right? There’s the money martyr, who is just like, I’m going to just give my money away, right? And then feels resentment. And so I think to your point, right. And there’s the money Alchemist, who knows that that 1% client, that one out of 10,000 probably

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.22.02]

 was connected to money. Alchemist.

Julie Jancius

[00.22.04]

 Right. And so I

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.22.06]

 think part of it is that you’re right, there’s so much resource available to us on both sides of the realms. But in the money realm, not only is it about you connecting to your relationship to money, it’s about healing your ancestral relationship to money and the baggage they have. And it’s about connecting to the patterns that will channel you towards creating the life you want to create.

Julie Jancius

[00.22.34]

 Billion percent. What you said earlier. You said I talked to money, and money told me to take these three people out to lunch and ask them how they did what they did. I find that when I’m working with people, people stop themselves at that point and they go, God, that is not money. That is not what I’m asking for. I’m asking for the way to go make money, right? And really, when the intuition comes in, when God comes in, when money comes in, it’s showing you a path. And that path is often very, very simple and it seems very small and insignificant. But actually it is the way and we can’t find our way unless we take action upon that and move towards it.

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.23.24]

 Yes. And let’s I want to come back. I mean, that is so true. And it comes back to one of the first things you said, Julie, is that most people are looking for something deeper than just making money. They’re looking for that, that meaning. And so one of the tools that I talk about in the book that’s a free resource on my website is that wealth? That wealth mandala. Right. That idea

Julie Jancius

[00.23.49]

 that I want to talk about this.

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.23.51]

 Yes, that wealth is is a bigger map because I think to your point, and I can talk about it in more detail in the different needs that it touches, but it’s almost like we think Our life is headed in one direction. You probably receive and channel this information that says, hey, look this way, hey, look that way. And when we allow ourselves to receive that information, we’re going to start touching these other areas in our wealth mandala that light us up, that create wealth, right? And so what I want is for people to raise the gaze and be like, okay, wealth is not just financial stability. That’s an important slice of the pie, but it is one slice of the pie.

Julie Jancius

[00.24.38]

 So what are the other slices of the pie? So the other slice of the pie are safety, physical health, freedom, purpose, understanding, participation, connection, belonging, curiosity, leisure and touch. And then there’s two slices of the pie, Julie, that are create your own adventure. Right. For someone it’s going to be transcendence, right? For someone it’s going to be a creativity for someone that’s going to be service, right? I don’t pretend to have one design for everyone. But this pie, this wealth mandala, is based on the science of human needs, right? That we know through Maslow. And then we it was expanded on another economist, Manfred Max Neef. And the idea is that human beings have traversal needs. The way we satisfy the needs are unique and personal. Right. And so if we just throw out the window, we’re all needy, right? Let’s own these needs. That’s part of what we came to do together, is to discover a different way to satisfy these needs. But we get to really be creative in how we design the strategies that satisfy them. And so to your point, right, maybe someone’s receiving a message and like, wait a second, that’s not what I came for or that’s

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.25.50]

 not what I wanted to hear. But maybe that message takes them to touch upon some of these other needs they didn’t even realize we’re lacking. And it lights up their wealth mandala, their experience of wealth, their ability to embody wealth at a much deeper level. What

Julie Jancius

[00.26.07]

 you were saying kind of reminded me of I went to a chiropractor once and he said, did you know that, you know, when you take aspirin or something for a headache, the headache goes away, but then you feel where the pain is, other places in your body because your, your brain actually can’t register more than one pain point at a time. Or maybe it’s 1 or 2 and and it seems the same with people as they are creating and building their lives. They think to themselves, oh, I’m going to go after this, and this is going to give me everything that a desire. And then they get to that point and they’re like, well, I’m still the same old person and you haven’t fulfilled those other areas of your life. And I really don’t see it as a place where we’re supposed to get to this point where I like, okay, done with life. You know, nothing more here to accomplish. It’s so fun. It’s the journey and having fun with money. We used to kind of live in this mindset where women would just be like, oh my God. She talked about money like, but it was the women talking about money that made me go. All right, she’s got a couple million dollars in retirement. Maybe I could do that too. Okay, this friend’s talking to me about stocks. She’s investing in stocks. Maybe I could do that, too. Oh, okay. This person’s got a multi-million dollar business. Maybe I could achieve that, too. And it it opens us instead. I think some people see it and they go, they, like, close down, like, I can’t do that or I’m jealous of that. But really, the angel say, every time you feel that it’s an opening and a doorway energetically that you can step through, it’s the angels showing you through other people in your life, what’s possible for your

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.27.58]

 life? Yeah, no, 100%. And as you talk through that, Julie, I’m like, yeah, it’s almost like we’re channeling and calling in. There’s a money angel. Yeah.

Julie Jancius

[00.28.07]

 There is. There are. There’s.

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.28.09]

 Exactly. And they’re there. And so whatever form you want to be in. But it’s like I’m a financial advisor. And so I sit down and I do numbers and projections all day long. But I wrote this book without any of that traditional financial knowledge, because I wanted to give a different doorway in which came

Julie Jancius

[00.28.27]

 through relationship. Right? Because I agree. How many women have walked into my office or I’ll have like a couple and they’ll default to the other gender. I’m like, no, no, no, no, let’s find what your language is around money, right? And oftentimes bringing that relationship component, people light up because like, okay, yeah I can do this. I I’m in a relationship and you know I’m not necessarily always perfect. And that’s okay. But I know how to be in relationship. So then bring that to money and start to break down those questions and bite sized questions like, you know what money? I’ve always wanted to have a stock portfolio. I don’t even know where to start. Right. Start to have a

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.29.04]

 conversation with money. What guidance would it give you to start and take one step in that direction? Mhm. The other thing that’s a wildly fascinating, as I was reading through the book, is the mandala itself is a shape. Right. Yeah. And when I wrote my book I also called Angels in Awakening. Like the podcast I wrote about Archangel Metatron and how he uses shapes almost like the path of your life. You know, what are those called? It’s like a spiritual thing where you can go to a spiritual site, and sometimes they have these like paths that you walk, but as you walk, yes, the labyrinth. It reminds me a lot of that, like the shape of your life and everybody has one is really meant to be that journey of coming home to ourselves, becoming ourselves, being ourselves, our soul. Self.

Julie Jancius

[00.29.57]

 How? Explain. Does that fit into your kind of take on the money mandala? Yeah, 100% and I. And what I would say is that like I described. So think of it this way for those who haven’t actually seen it. So the mandala is a circle and it has like these spokes on a wheel. So or it looks like a, you know, 12 slices of a pie. Right. And so when I work with clients, what I do is I say, okay, you know, on a scale of 1 to 10, right? Ten being like, I’m feeling really satisfied in this area of my life, participation, right. Or purpose. And so you color that sliver, that slice of the pie all the way to the top, and maybe there’s some areas like leisure or touch that I’m feeling more lacking or poverty in. You could color it very little. And then what I like to tell people, Julie, is that take a step back from it once you’ve colored it. And I always tell people like, I have like a gaze, a soft gaze, as if you were staring at a flower. Right.

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.30.57]

 And if you think of it this way. Petals are not perfect, and yet they’re beautiful, right? And so it’s really being like, okay, my life isn’t perfect. That’s never the intention. But it’s beautiful as it is. Where are those areas that the petals are a little more filled out? What’s working there? What are the areas that my petals are a little more shriveled? What can I bring in terms of awareness and resource? Right. To find a little bit more balance in the shape. But it’s it’s a fluid shape. And to your point, if you’re like, oh, all my petals are feeling full, then you start to grow deep. You go down into the roots. Right. And so it’s like this five dimensional shape that you kind of embody and live into. But the mandala is just a doorway into giving you a visual cue of where you are. I want to go into more in your book, but I have to ask you this question because it’s just on my mind. Um, okay, so I know that you can’t, like, say exactly what’s going to happen. But you’re a very intuitive person. There’s been so much I love history, history buff. If you look at 1900 to like 1930, there’s been a lot of correlation between two out, like the year 2000 and where we are today. And at every turn where we could have hit bigger blips, they were more muted. They didn’t turn out to be what we went through. 100 years ago. I think we are, as a collective, working through, um, some things that would have turned into world wars before or like bigger things. And, and we’re muting it right now, even though it might not seem like it financially, though, it does feel like as we’re approaching 2029, um,

Julie Jancius

[00.32.55]

 100 years after the Great Depression started. You can feel this trepidation in people’s hearts of like, crap, you know? Here we go. You know where the the stock market is really high right now. People are saying it’s like at a 5.3. And when the dotcom was it was like a 5.1. The bubble burst. What do you think. Because what I am seeing intuitively is that I think we’re going to hit a more minor kind of setback. I think it’s going to raise right back up. But before the end of, you know, before hitting 2030, we’re going to see a more major correction, but it’s going to come right back around. I don’t see us hitting like another Great Depression or anything like that.

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.33.46]

 Well, and in the reality is, is that even if we did Julie, we would survive it. Right. I think that’s a really important piece, because there’s a way in which, like, as you’re describing that, like, I can feel the PTSD in my body and I wasn’t alive in 1929. You know what I mean? But I think there’s a way in which, like, that’s the ancestral the epigenetics component is that we can feel the ancestors that went through those crashes for my grandfather. You know, he had to he went through World War Two. He was, you know, an Austrian Jew survivor who had to leave his homeland. So I think part of what you’re also describing is unprocessed anxiety that we have in our bodies around market cycles. So that’s the first thing that I would say. And it’s our responsibility to continue to, to like digest. And the second thing I would say is that, you know, is that there has been there’s been a way in which human creativity. Has created a certain level of resilience that we have seen reflected in the stock market. Right. And that’s really important to note because as you start to see kind of which companies in which industries have done well, in which different waves, it’s kind of where is creativity moving towards right now we’re in an AI boom, for example, right. And we’ve seen some companies who’ve lost value because they have phased out in terms of their relevance in what they offer. And so people ask me all the time, do I think that the stock market is going to be one day wiped out? My answer is no because of human creativity, right? And I think the waves we go through are big. And I think we are going through a big restructuring, and I don’t think we actually even know what it’s going to look like. And it has to do with what are, you know, how are jobs and professions and things going to change with the onset of AI? I mean, I

Julie Jancius

[00.35.31]

 have 1,000,000%. Yeah. And I have to and I you know, I feel like I’m in a good relationship with that. I’m not afraid of it, but I know it’s going to change. And so and what I tell people when it comes to finance, because we can never quite predict exactly when that’s going to happen. You diversify your Fire strategies, right? You have the money that’s in the market that you know will go up and down. And if it goes down, that is that’s the time when you stay put. Do not pull out. And then there’s the market that you excuse me. There’s the money that you might have in cash because when there’s a dip, best time to invest. Right. And so we can never know. All I can tell you is we will go through these cycles again and again and again. You can have strategies to be in those cycles. And that kind of releases a little bit of the anxiety of when it’s going to happen. Be like, okay, if we’re in a down cycle, this is what I’m doing. If we’re in an up cycle, this is what I’m doing, and you just start to create. I mean, similar to like our every day, right? You wake up some days happier and some days not as happy. And I know I have strategies for both days. Right. And so it’s the same thing with the stock market. It’s a lot easier to Juli to have these strategies written out when we’re not there. You know what I mean? So this is the time to think through okay. If the markets were down, if I lost my job, how would I adjust? What are those dials I would turn up and turn down so that I have that. I have

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.36.56]

 a contingency plan.

Julie Jancius

[00.36.58]

 Well, and that’s the only way to really bring your inner self peace and security is to go. Okay, let me think through that. If we did hit or reconnect. How do I not freak out? Because we know that it’s going to go right back up? Or what would I do job wise if this if that? I think that, you know, my most successful clients do think through those things kind of in advance. And it’s not like a putdown for anybody else. It’s just like a strategy, a tool that you can use. Thinking through it brings peace. And I would say, Julie, start small. Like if you just say, hey, you know what? I’m going to designate $500, $100 so that the next market pullback, it goes in. Great. That’s what you do. And notice that small step creates agency. Mhm.

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.37.47]

 And that’s the most important piece. It doesn’t have to be a big dollar amount. It could literally be I have $100 set aside when the market goes down I know what to do. Right.

Julie Jancius

[00.37.58]

 One more piece on this because I feel that there are a lot of people, myself included. My grandmother was born in 1933, um, that do have that tie to that specific time period, 1929, for those people who are feeling a lot of that anxiety in anticipation because they’re so highly empathic. You know, in addition to what you’ve just said, what else can we they do to be like, okay, take this pressure off my chest. Well, I mean, I think, you know, to your point of what your expertise in this world is, Julie, start having these conversations with those family members. Right. And so, you know, for me, in writing this book, I would have deep conversations with my grandfather who’s deceased, and be like, okay, why is it that scarcity was passed down my lineage? Why is it still in my body when we have enough? Right. And so I had to do my work around scarcity and decouple it from market corrections. And so I think that’s the first thing I would say is start talking to the ancestors. Is there an or. You know, that’s my word for it, right?

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.39.04]

 Yes. But like, you know, is there unprocessed grief. Right. Are we feeling super sad at everything we lost? What were the loss of opportunity? Like, you know, we have to work through it. Start talking to your ancestors and be like, whoa, where did you show resilience?

Julie Jancius

[00.39.19]

 Wow. Check that out.

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.39.21]

 I come from a lineage of resilience, right? Right. Because if we’re having this conversation, if someone is listening to us, Julie, because their ancestors survived and they’re here on this planet at this time, right. And so. Yeah. Oh, so sorry I interrupted you. I’m just so excited because I get to talk to somebody about this, and there’s so much that I get to see every day working with people. Here’s one of

Julie Jancius

[00.39.44]

 the biggest things that I feel is, is a hangup with folks is, um,

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.39.50]

 people

Julie Jancius

[00.39.51]

 in their ancestry, their lineage, who expected to get into a time when they were in retirement where they would just have that certainty, that security. And that’s when the bigger swings hit, right? Financially, within our country, I think about, you know, my grandparents retiring, you know, and going through 2007, 2008, shortly thereafter and swimming in the pool with my grandfather out in the backyard and him being like, we

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.40.23]

 lost $80,000 in the stock market. And just like, yeah, there was a time, there’s a time when we’re anticipating in our lives, okay, if I just make it to this point in my life, everything’s going to be okay. And I think that people

Julie Jancius

[00.40.41]

 have a harder time when they’re like, man, it’s it’s not that way. We don’t ever have that safety, that security. You could get to that point. And that’s when the big swing hits. And that’s hard.

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.40.53]

 Yeah. And so let’s let’s really get clear here. One of my biggest issues with my industry is the fact that we call investment securities. Right. That is that is a huge misnomer. And I’m like, does anyone else hear that? Because we give our power away. Julie. Right. And I think what you really need to take responsibility for is like, okay, can I find that sense of security inside myself, move through life with the plan I have, knowing that that that life will throw me curveballs. This is not money doing something at you. Right? This is that we just face these curveballs. And I think the reality is, you know, I hear your grandfather’s voice and he probably did lose at 80,000 now. Did he take his money out? And he made that loss real. You know what I

Julie Jancius

[00.41.42]

 mean? He gained it back. Exactly. And, you know, and ultimately, when you’re at that place for retirement, you’re taking a percentage of your portfolio, right? You’re not taking all of it out, you know? And depending how it’s allocated, it should be able to do these swings with time. That’s part of the money. Like all the simulations we do. And so I think part of it is that we can’t let ourselves be a victim. Mhm. Right. And so many people live under the guise of being a money victim. And the opposite archetype of the victim is the wounded healer. Right.

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.42.17]

 The person who has who has gone through the human experience and knows hardship, but has found that resilience to get to the other side and can be like, oh yeah, I know that sliver of humanity. You know, that sliver of humanity through your grandfather’s conversations and you’re like, okay, I don’t want to do that, but you can’t go the opposite extreme of them living in fear. Right. Right. Right. And so ended up becoming the ultimate hoarder. Like, that’s not going to solve it either. You have to learn how to live life to its fullest. And I think a big piece, Julie, when I’m when I’m coaching clients through the wealth mandala, as we go through all the different slices in the pie, I have to ask them, what is your monetary strategy? So, for example, physical health, someone might say, I’m ready to hire a personal trainer. Great. But equally important is what is your non-monetary strategy? How are you going to address physical health if you had not a dime to spend? Like, well, you know what? I’m going to go for a run around the block. Great. You know what I mean? And that’s where you find financial agency is being able to build wealth. Not always depending on money, because I’ve not. You’re in a codependent relationship with

Julie Jancius

[00.43.31]

 it. Say that again. That is just like boom aha mic drop.

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.43.36]

 We most of us are in codependent relationships with money. We want money to solve and fill all of our needs

Julie Jancius

[00.43.47]

 and make it perfect where you don’t have another worry in the entire world. Exactly.

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.43.52]

 Imagine, Julie, if you said that to your partner, they would start to inch their way out of the room. They’re like, that’s way too much pressure. We give our power away. And so you need to know how to satisfy every single one of your need in a non-monetary way. Yeah. Doesn’t mean you also don’t have monetary strategies. I love massages, so in my little touch slice of the pie. Definitely try to get a massage at least once a quarter. But equally important, I have to go and say, hey, tell my husband I need a 15 second hug right now. And he always kind of like at that five second, I could feel him like wanting to get out of it. I’m like, oh, stay, I need this 15 seconds. I have to ask for it, even though it’s not necessarily what he would want. But he knows it’s important for me and it’s non-monetary. Yeah,

Julie Jancius

[00.44.43]

 well, and I work with those clients who have more money than God that they can spend in this lifetime. And they still wake up and they want purpose and they want a reason to be here, and they want to understand why they’re here. Because even if you had and I hope everybody that’s listening right now just imagines this or just takes this in in their next meditation session. Imagine waking up tomorrow. You have more money than you will ever need in your entire life. For every possible need that you’ll ever have or want.

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.45.18]

 You still have to wake up tomorrow and be here. What do you want to do? How would you spend your time? Who would you want to share your heart with? Your time with? What would you want to do with in this little world when you pass away? What legacy do you want to leave behind? How do you want to be remembered? Yeah, because that’s what those folks are really thinking about once they get to that point. Which is why you see so many celebrities and presidents and CEOs that that once they have achieved traditional success, they all fall back

Julie Jancius

[00.45.52]

 to spirituality. They all come

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.45.54]

 back. They’re looking for meaning. And I think, I mean, that’s why I wrote the book, Julie, because my question, my premise is why do we have so much right in this country? Why do we have so much? And yet we feel poor? Right. And I think it’s a it’s a different type of poverty, but it’s a real poverty. And so, you know, I tell people you can like get there so much faster, the sense of wealth by understanding what defines wealth and how you design it. Right. It’s like, you know, you don’t have to wait to amass millions. I mean, by all means, go on mass millions. But equally important is making sure you’re feeling all the slices of wealth as you do that. Yeah, yeah.

Julie Jancius

[00.46.37]

 Oh, my God, I want to do a course with you where we could walk everybody through this. And

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.46.43]

 me too. I love to collaborate, so I’m. Yes.

Julie Jancius

[00.46.46]

 Oh my gosh. And I want to have you back on the podcast more. One of the other things that I’ve been channeling and kind of tuning into that I got to get your take on is crypto has been around. I think that we’re going to come into it more. It’s very, very scary for older generations, and I think even my generation, because we don’t fully understand it. I think the stock market will always have a very big place. But how do you see cryptocurrency coming in, and how do we speak to a money and have a relationship with the money that is cryptocurrency when we really don’t understand it? Yeah. So that’s a great question. And I do have to say from a compliance standpoint, I actually can’t even talk too much about crypto because it’s still not regulated. And so I do need to say that, but I think what I would hold is we’re in the I mean, I want to say we’re still in the early stages of it. And so like anything new, it reminds me a lot of like the digital revolution of when the internet came on board. Right. And we had to understand or even AI. Right. And so I think to some what’s going to happen is that, you know, not all AI companies will make it. Not all digital currencies will make it right. Not all internet providers will make it. And so that’s what feels scary is like, wait a second, did I choose the right one? How much did I put in it? And so if you want just a rule of thumb, anything that I would consider more of a speculative investment. Keep it to 5% of your portfolio, right? If it’s something that you could wake up one day and say, hey, I lost it, but I’m going to be okay, that’s the right amount. If you put in too much that if you lost it, it’s going to have a really negative impact on your portfolio. That’s too much. Right. But I think. And then as you invest again, start to have

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.48.34]

 a conversation with it, whatever you choose, whatever digital currency you choose, whatever company like start to understand it more. And I think that’s our responsibility.

Julie Jancius

[00.48.44]

 100%. Okay. So um, we’re going to do more together if you’re up for it. Elizabeth.

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.48.51]

 I love this. Yes.

Julie Jancius

[00.48.53]

 I want you to tell everybody where they can find the book, where they can find you. And you’re so intuitive. If there’s one more, like thing that money is intuitively saying to you that that message wants to come out from money to everybody listening. What is that message? So I want to start with the message. I think the message I’m hearing money say to every single one is that you can be satisfied in your life if you start paying attention to what satisfies you. And the easiest way to do that, Julie, is that for for just take a take a journal and do a 30 day satiation challenge, which is for 30 days. At the end of the day, write down your three top things that satisfy you. So for example, Julie, you will make my list tonight, right? This conversation was deeply satisfying and over 30 days write you. Then take us. Take a moment. Look back. Read through all of them in one sitting and see like what are the patterns? What do I naturally know how to do that is satisfying. And money. It’s like it’s smiling behind me, Julie, because it’s like, yes, the more we take agency and responsibility on what satisfies us, money’s like, ooh, I feel lighter, I feel freer. Let’s

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.50.10]

 have fun together, right? Because a lot of times money is like, hey, you don’t make this fun either. So how am I supposed to show up with joy? And so I think the more we start to take responsibility and agency by finding what brings us meaning, the more money wants to show up and be like, I want to participate in

Julie Jancius

[00.50.25]

 that. I love that so much. Elizabeth. Don’t forget to tell everybody, um, where to find you and where to find your beautiful book. Yeah.

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.50.34]

 So you can go to my website. Elizabeth Husserl. So that’s Husserl, and there’s a link to the book. You can buy it at your favorite book provider. There’s a ton of free resources there that you can use that accompany the book. I have a Substack called the Art of enough, so join me there in Instagram. Elizabeth I post I post a lot in any of those places you can find me. Amazing! Thank you so much for being here and friends. We are going to do more with Elizabeth. Beautiful souls. Before we close, I just want to say thank you. Thank you for being here, for listening, for walking this path of radiant energy, oneness alongside me. Your presence means so much. If you feel called to go deeper. There are so many ways that we can journey together. The Angel Reiki School, the upcoming women’s retreat, the Angel membership. In September, we begin a brand new course in the Angel membership called Clearly

Julie Jancius

[00.51.35]

 Hear Your Intuition. And in October we’re starting a course called Find Your Purpose in 30 days. These are soul shifting, life changing offerings and I would love to hold space for you inside them. You can join the Angel membership to receive these courses or simply purchase them on their own

Elizabeth Husserl

[00.51.54]

 at the Angel Medium.com Backslash membership. Or if you want to purchase them on their own, you can go to the Angel Medium.com Backslash shop. And now let’s take a moment together. I want you to take three deep breaths in and out with each breath. Feel love moving through you. Ask your angel the question or questions that are resting on your heart, and then listen. Their whispers arrive as intuition, as knowing, as peace. Friends, if you long to hear your angels more clearly, don’t forget I’ve got a course for this coming up in September where you can really start to hear your intuition more clearly. I’ll walk you through step by step. Until next time, friends, breathe, trust and know that you are never alone. Your angels are always,

Julie Jancius

[00.52.53]

 always, always with you. Love you.