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In this deeply personal episode, my friend Angela and I explore how spiritual awakening unfolds during life’s biggest transitions—motherhood, divorce, and creative burnout. We share raw stories about receiving angelic guidance through chaos, why empaths sense futures before they happen, and how I learned to trust my intuition when my daughter needed spinal surgery. Angela opens up about her unmedicated birth awakening and why she’s rejecting algorithmic pressure to return to soul-led creation. If you’ve ever felt disconnected from your angels or wondered how to hear divine guidance through overwhelm, this conversation is your reminder: Your spirit team is closer than you think.

TIMESTAMPED OVERVIEW

00:00 Welcome and Introduction

00:23 Personal Story: Communicating with the Other Side

01:18 Podcast Philosophy and Community

01:58 Guest Introduction: Angela

02:13 Navigating Motherhood and Creativity

04:40 Spiritual Conversations and Angelic Guidance

08:16 Personal Challenges and Spiritual Growth

13:12 Empowerment Through Spiritual Awakening

17:01 Motherhood and Spiritual Connection

28:37 The Journey of Trust and Faith

41:45 The Quest for Clarity in Relationships

42:35 The Modern Woman’s Freedom to Choose

43:32 Understanding Empaths and Intuition

44:39 Signs and Synchronicities

47:38 The Role of Creators and Empaths

57:08 Navigating the Digital Age

59:49 The Future of AI and Consciousness

01:06:07 The Importance of Human Connection

01:18:48 Concluding Thoughts and Farewells

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TRANSCRIPT:

[00:00:00] Julie: Hello, friends. Welcome to the Angels and Awakening podcast. I’m your host, Julie Janis. If you love this podcast, please be our angel. Ask a friend to listen, subscribe. Rate us five stars. Leave a positive review and share a screenshot of this [00:00:19] podcast on your Facebook or Instagram stories. So my dad passed away in 2015.

[00:00:26] We weren’t talking, and it took a month for his family to track me down before I ever knew he was gone. I started hearing from him in heaven. It consumed me. [00:00:38] How is communication with the other side even possible? I left my corporate gig, studied with spiritual teachers on every coast, and worked with my angels to figure out the answers.

[00:00:51] Today, my mission is teaching you how to raise your vibration, shift [00:00:57] your thoughts, trust your intuition, develop your unique spiritual gifts, and connect with your loved ones and angels on the other side. Friends, when you have these tools, life really does become heaven on earth.[00:01:16]

[00:01:17] Hello, beautiful souls. Welcome back to the Angels and Awakening Podcast. I’m your host and author, Julie Janis. Friends, if you have been listening to this podcast for a while, you know that, uh, in the past I’ve gotten like six months ahead. You know, if spirits saying life is gonna get busy, [00:01:35] um, and Spirit said, stop doing that.

[00:01:38] You know, stop getting so far ahead. Really let people into your life, into your world this year to go through life together as a community. So, that’s what I’m doing today is, uh, Friday. Is today [00:01:54] Friday, Angela. Oh my goodness, yes,

[00:01:56] Angela: today’s Friday.

[00:01:58] Julie: So Angela, my friend, uh, she’s a fellow creator. I love being around other fellow like creatives, don’t you?

[00:02:06] It’s just so fun.

[00:02:08] Angela: Creating is so fun, but at times it feels painful. Yeah. Especially [00:02:13] nowadays, right? When we’re trying to juggle with everyday responsibilities, mothering duties, and then, you know, but my still always call for more cre creativity after that.

[00:02:26] Julie: Yes. So Angela Lee, you might know her on Instagram, TikTok at [00:02:32] Angel, uh, at mommy diary.

[00:02:34] She’s a mommy creator. Um, we connected either like right at the beginning of COVID or right before C-O-V-I-D-I forget, but you and I like keep con in contact where maybe like every six months, every couple of months we just check in with one another. How’s it [00:02:51] going? Um, and I love like our supportive bond because we are just moms doing it all.

[00:02:57] And it, you know, no time can pass or all the time can pass and we just kind of catch up where we last left off. But you reached out this morning and you’re like, I’ve got questions for you. And I was like, [00:03:10] good. I don’t have a Monday episode.

[00:03:13] Angela: Yeah. These days I’ve been, um, kind of just. Coming back into my flow state.

[00:03:20] So we met in 2020. The pandemic had just begun. I had a newborn baby and I was just [00:03:29] like, every, just lord, like what am I supposed to do with my life? I have a young baby. I have, I have four children total. All my kids were home from school. My then husband was home from school, and I just felt like everything was just in this like breakdown Yeah.

[00:03:46] And rebuilding [00:03:48] stage.

[00:03:48] Yeah.

[00:03:48] Angela: And that’s when we met. Um, it was great. I was busy and now I’m looking back and realizing the past five years I was just kind of living in this like, survival mode mm-hmm. Of raising children, growing my business, always having to create, just create, create, create. Just, [00:04:07] just productivity.

[00:04:07] Just pump it out. Just get it out there. Be seen. And um, I reached out to you this morning because. Recently, I’m kind of like coming back Yeah. To center and I’m learning to go within and figure out, okay, the five [00:04:26] years is done. I mean, you know, I, my, my, my newborn baby is now going to kindergarten and I need to kind of do like a midlife check-in for myself and my soul.

[00:04:37] Julie: Yeah, a hundred percent. So one of the things when Angela first texted me SP’s hop on a [00:04:45] podcast, just like sometimes we have these great like deep, deep conversations and I’m like, dang, I wish I would’ve recorded that because. With your permission of course, ’cause we go deep. But, um, because it’s just so good and it’s so raw and it’s just like so in the moment and there’s [00:05:04] just so much great advice that comes through from the Angels.

[00:05:07] So I’m reading Angela’s text and spirit goes, write this down, they said. During the chaos, during challenging times, whether it is divorce, money, challenges, job loss, health issues, [00:05:23] family caregiving, moving, um, a lot of us vocalize this out loud, like, we’ll say, I can’t feel my angels, I can’t feel their presence.

[00:05:32] I can’t feel my loved ones on the other side, or I’m having this trouble like hearing them. But the angel said, that’s really not true. What’s true is that the [00:05:42] environment, the frequency that you’re in, like in your surroundings and your environment has really changed and you’re getting used to navigating this new energy and this new frequency.

[00:05:55] That you’re in. But the angel said, what hasn’t changed is your angels care [00:06:01] for you. That they’re there, that they’re supporting you, that they’re talking to you, um, even more than ever before. When you’re in challenging times, when you’re thrust in dec chaos, most times it’s not because we want to be, it’s really because that’s what life is [00:06:20] calling us into at that moment.

[00:06:22] We have to hold on to other energies and the energy of belief, faith, trust. These are all energies that we can tune into. Like if you were just to meditate or pray one morning on what does [00:06:39] trust feel like? What does faith feel like? What does belief feel like? You could feel all these different things.

[00:06:46] And when we really tune into that, we can feel their presence. Um. So I was just wanted to say that because it wasn’t Angela who brought it up, but a lot of people have been saying that to [00:06:58] me lately. Like, Julia, I can’t feel my angels, I can’t hear them anymore. That’s not true. We, we wanna change the script of what we’re like vocalizing to ourselves within our own minds.

[00:07:09] Um, the angels came in and said, you’re, you’re just overwhelmed. There isn’t enough. Um, space [00:07:17] solitude to hear your own intuition. A lot of times I think it personally, me in my own spare time, you know, sometimes I just wanna relax and I do zone out by like, watching TV or, or seeing what other creators are putting out content wise.

[00:07:33] Um, but it’s not always really soul [00:07:36] nourishing or soul like replenishing. And the angels said to tell everybody here today, what is soul nourishing? What is soul? Replenishing is like quiet time. It’s prayer, it’s journaling, it’s meditation, it’s stretching, it’s walking, it’s being alone with your thoughts.[00:07:55]

[00:07:55] Um, so I, I kinda channeled that out through what you were talking about this morning, but also for the audience too. Um, have you been getting the same thing, Angela? From your angels.

[00:08:07] Angela: Yeah. You know, it’s funny that you mentioned, like, when you were talking the, the belief, like the words belief and trust came [00:08:14] through loudly for me.

[00:08:16] So, um, in 2019 I knew my marriage was coming to an end eventually, and I think we briefly talked about that. Um, I’m okay talking about this. I think this is very valuable for a lot of women. So valuable. Um, so 2019, [00:08:33] um, I just felt in my intuition, like I love my children, I love my family, you know, I love my ex-husband as a soul, right, as my earthly partner, but I just knew that I wasn’t going to be, I wasn’t going to,[00:08:52]

[00:08:54] sorry. Let me, let me, let me redo that. ’cause the baby, okay. Yeah. So I knew in my heart that my marriage may not last forever. So I was actually making necessary steps to move forward with the [00:09:11] divorce after 15 years of marriage. And a week later after I made this decision, I found out that I was four weeks pregnant.

[00:09:20] Hmm. So I had already been, you know, something happened. I was like, okay, this is it. This is my, my clear sign from the universe and [00:09:30] a week later I’m pregnant with the fourth child. Right. And at that time, I felt like, what is going on my God universe? Like, what are you doing? Why? Like, my intuition is telling me to leave, but now I’m pregnant with another baby, um, a baby that I [00:09:49] never planned at this time.

[00:09:51] Although it’s weird, before that I always kinda had a weird feeling that there was another soul that wants to come through through me. Mm-hmm. And it’s like weird, if I say the story, it sounds crazy to me as well. But I just knew, I think there’s like another soul that wants to come and I had never envisioned having four [00:10:08] children, so I was kind of like, I don’t think that

[00:10:10] Julie: that’s

[00:10:10] Angela: crazy at

[00:10:10] Julie: all.

[00:10:11] Really? No. So I told, I don’t know if I’ve, I, I don’t know if I’ve ever told this on the podcast. You know, sometimes with over 600 episodes you’re like, have I told that story before or not? Um, so my sister tells me this, sometimes she thought I was [00:10:27] crazy. We went on a bike ride maybe. Um. Right around the time when I got pregnant with L and I was so frustrated because I just wanted to be pregnant.

[00:10:38] I was really, really worried about having endometriosis and PCOS, um, and just like it with [00:10:46] those things, it can be very, very difficult to get pregnant. So I was just worried about how it would be, but I told her I feel like there’s this soul on the other side that wants to come through. And she always refers back to that.

[00:11:00] And she’s like, I thought you were crazy. But then she felt the same thing. [00:11:05] Um, and I hear a lot of women say that, that it’s the soul on the other side communicating to the mama that they want to come through.

[00:11:15] Angela: So if I didn’t feel that soul nudge, yeah. You know, I may have, I mean, honestly, not that I’m, you know, like against the freedom to [00:11:24] choose for some women, for me, I just knew in my heart, okay, this is something I have to go through, so I have to put everything down, put faith, trust, like, just believe in God and say, I have no idea why I’m in this place again.

[00:11:38] Um, I thought I was kind of cycling out of my marriage, but okay, let’s, let’s go. I [00:11:43] accepted the calling, gave birth a month after literally the, the world like slows down, pandemic happened. She was born in January and then the pandemic happened in March.

[00:11:54] Wow.

[00:11:55] Angela: So I think the past five, and that’s when I met you and the past five years was honestly just like [00:12:02] accepting this call.

[00:12:03] And, you know, my daughter, she’s so, so amazing now. And she has like, she like the, I see most of my spirit in her. Oh, I love that. It’s, it’s so love that it’s so, yeah, I see myself in her eyes and now I, when I look at her, I’m just, I always think to myself, and I don’t tell anyone this, but what would I [00:12:21] have done if I, you weren’t here.

[00:12:22] Like, she just completed everything, so now I know it makes sense. Back then, it didn’t quite make sense. So, you know, she’s five years old now. Um, you know, recent things happened recently where now I’m, you know, divorced. Yeah. It’s the, the process started last [00:12:40] year, so the timing of it was surrendered. Right.

[00:12:44] Like, I had originally planned this many years ago. The baby came, so I had to kind of wait a little bit of, of course, I wanted, I was hoping maybe this is another opportunity for my husband and I to figure things out and to [00:12:59] try to resolve issues and, you know, try to move it forward. It didn’t work out.

[00:13:03] It’s, it’s, I realize it’s not always in my control, especially when something like marriage, it’s some, it’s a, it’s a sacred bond, a contract between two people. Yes. So now I’m divorced and, um, I reached out to you this morning [00:13:18] because I feel like now I’m at another point in my life where I’m asked to trust, to surrender.

[00:13:24] Um, and just believe in this new chapter that is so different from how I envisioned.

[00:13:31] Yeah.

[00:13:31] Angela: And I think, I think knowing I have like, there was always that next step, [00:13:37] right? Like I always knew, okay, there’s another baby or mm-hmm. There’s like this new job that I have to, I have to get my business to this next level.

[00:13:43] There’s always like a goal in my mind and that’s how I’ve lived my, I think, entire adult life. Mm-hmm. And right now my goal is for the first time, [00:13:56] not about a child, it’s not about improving a marriage, it’s not about even growing a business for money. Yeah. Now I feel like the soul calling mm-hmm. To start to move into, move on to this like spiritual path [00:14:15] that I never gave proper time, attention, and energy to.

[00:14:20] That’s a little scary, right? Like kind of letting go of everything because we’re so used to chasing security. Like whether it’s building a family, you know, you have one child and I want another baby, right? And then there’s like that next baby. Everything’s very material. [00:14:34] Something you can like see, hold and um, or something to like provide you with money, material things.

[00:14:42] For the first time in my life, in my forties, I am, um, asked to go on this path that is not related to any earthly [00:14:53] things.

[00:14:53] Mm-hmm.

[00:14:54] Angela: And I think that’s where my split is happening right now. It’s almost like a cognitive dissonance.

[00:15:01] Yeah.

[00:15:02] Angela: I’m a very like type A, you know, like controlled, disciplined, you know, like, like creative.

[00:15:11] I’m [00:15:12] always go, go, go. Just like output, output, you know, money, money, money, kids, kids, you know, work like a perfectionist. And now I’m just like. Almost like opening my hands and like surrender. Yeah. And I’m just like, okay, I’m going back and forth. Okay. Wait, this doesn’t feel safe.

[00:15:29] Mm-hmm.

[00:15:29] Angela: You know, some, it’s my [00:15:31] ego telling me this is not safe.

[00:15:33] Like why are you going this path? And I don’t know anyone. I think I told to this morning, you’re the most spiritual friend I have out of in my friend group, but even in my, you know, family circle, I’m considered to be the most spiritual one. [00:15:50] Yeah. And they come to me for guidance and for advice. And I’m supposed to be kind of like the spiritual leader of my community and I’m here feeling stuck.

[00:16:04] Yeah. And when I say stuck, it’s not that I don’t have faith. Like I know that God, [00:16:09] the universe will always provide like that faith and trust is always there, but it’s just my human self. Yeah, it’s trying to like make that each step right. Like following the breadcrumb. So the funniest thing happens. I was going through, you know, um, like this, like spiritual [00:16:28] awakening process this summer.

[00:16:30] This is my first summer as a solo parent. As a single mom. Yeah. Um, it’s been very empowering but also very challenging at times. ’cause until now I had a partner, a physical human body to do things with me, and now [00:16:47] I’m the only parent with my four children.

[00:16:49] Yeah.

[00:16:50] Angela: And it’s not something you couldn’t really prepare for.

[00:16:52] You just have to, you know, um, like just move through it as needed.

[00:16:56] Mm-hmm.

[00:16:57] Angela: And for the first time, I made a conscious decision to. Be more intentional and be more present with myself and my children, because this is [00:17:06] a very important summer for all of us. I don’t wanna just, okay, mommy and daddy are divorced and just like start working again.

[00:17:12] Right. Then I, that’s my, I didn’t want my children to feel neglected. I just wanted to be present with them if they ever have any questions, you know, if there’s any like behavioral changes. I [00:17:25] wanted to be there fully present to witness it all. Mm-hmm. And luckily they’ve been okay. I thought this time was for them, but it’s actually more for me.

[00:17:33] ’cause for the first time in my life, I’m like sitting here with my thoughts mm-hmm. And my feelings. And I realized I, I haven’t done that [00:17:44] in so long. Right. Like, we as mothers and working women, we think we’re being intentional, but you’re really not, if all you’re doing is working and mothering.

[00:17:53] Julie: Mm-hmm. And yeah, you need that.

[00:17:55] You need that sacred space. You need like a place, a community to go within and, um, make time [00:18:03] for it all. That’s the biggest thing that I get from people who are in my membership community, is they’re like, I would want to create that space for myself of like one hour a week to get, you know, that meditation in or, you know, like all the things that we do on every week, we meet on Wednesday nights, but they’re like, then stuff [00:18:22] comes up and I would never do it.

[00:18:23] But when I’m in the membership, like it’s every Wednesday night at 7:00 PM central time, we’re all together and it’s just so grounding and so lifting of their spirit. So a couple of things. There’s a lot that I like wrote down. Um, this I all wrote down, like before you [00:18:41] were talking, um, which I’m gonna read, but, um, I know you feel this way, I just wanna make sure that the, the listeners get this too.

[00:18:50] Um, your baby’s eyes. Oh my God, when you said that she does, she has your eyes, Angela. It’s like, like looking at two pieces of the [00:19:00] same soul, like through both of your eyes. It’s so beautiful. Um, and uh, I wanted to just mention to any women out there, you know, they had me write down, God gives women the freedom to choose and we should really give women the freedom to choose.

[00:19:17] And um, [00:19:19] I always like to tell people, you know, there’s no dings on the other side, you know, for making that choice, um, that’s not here or there. Let’s keep going though with the conversation. I just didn’t want any woman listening to be like, oh, um, everybody, everybody’s a different journey. Everybody’s got a different path.

[00:19:37] Angela: Yeah, we [00:19:38] agree completely. Even though I’m a, I’m a mother of, um, poor children and that’s my. My decision, I would never, oh yeah, no, I know you, you, I would condemn any woman I know for making their choices. ’cause ultimately motherhood is a very lonely journey. And whether you have one partner or [00:19:57] 10 partners, it doesn’t matter.

[00:19:58] It’s the mom that’s raising the child. So whenever there are people that are trying to, you know, like control these choices, I say, you’re not the one raising the baby. So ultimately I think the choice lies on the woman who is actually doing the work. So, and it’s funny that you mentioned the eyes, ’cause as [00:20:16] soon as a baby was born and I knew she was meant to be like, come from the other side through my body, that was the first thing I noticed when I gave birth to her.

[00:20:27] And, and again, it was like the most beautiful spiritual birth of my lifetime. I actually had her unmedicated. Um, [00:20:35] I felt this like, call to try.

[00:20:37] Wow. Wow. And I remember

[00:20:38] Angela: I told my gynecologist, or my doctor at the show was a female doc doctor, and she kept saying like, are you sure? Like, why are you choosing this when you already have three children and you could do the epidural?

[00:20:48] You know, I just felt like I wanted to experience [00:20:54] childbirth the way my ancestors did.

[00:20:56] Wow. I almost, yeah. And,

[00:20:58] Angela: and I, I felt like I was called for that experience. Yeah. And almost like I was meant to experience that. That’ll kind of connect me to my mother. ’cause my mom and my grandmother and her [00:21:13] grandmother, they all had their children.

[00:21:16] My, my great, my grandmother had four children, my mom has three. So there’s a lot of children in my maternal lineage. And I just felt like that was maybe the tie.

[00:21:26] Yeah.

[00:21:26] Angela: That, again, not saying that it’s necessary, but for me it was like a very, it was like a spiritual. Journey. [00:21:32] Wow. Yeah. And, um, I gave birth to her non-medicated.

[00:21:36] And I, when I told my doctor, the female doctor, luckily I feel like I didn’t even choose her. I think it was like the spirit guiding, uh, me to her. And as soon as I said, you know, I wanna experience this the way my ancestors did. She got it. Yeah. After [00:21:51] that, there were no other questions about it. She was supportive, she got it.

[00:21:57] And, um, I did it. And I’ve never felt so empowered and like connected to my maternal spiritual essence mm-hmm. [00:22:10] As that moment. Wow. Yeah. And then all the natural, like endorphins or the hormones that your body just pumps out. Yeah, because I had, I was completely unmedicated. Just, I was almost like I couldn’t boot.

[00:22:22] I’ve never thought euphoria like that. In my life. Oh my goodness. I’ve experimented with, you know, like with drugs, [00:22:29] like in my past, like the dark ages of my life when before I, I became a mom. But yeah, nothing felt like that. Yeah. I, I truly felt like one with God, the universe with the creative Right after or right about 30 minutes after.

[00:22:45] Yeah. As soon as you give birth, the baby comes [00:22:48] out and your body just does this thing where. You’re just pumped. Like you’re just pumped, like, like these, like love hormones where you just feel intense love. And, um, I, I would never forget that feeling. And I remember 20 minutes after they were wheeling me out and I told the nurse like, I [00:23:07] wanna do that again.

[00:23:08] Oh my goodness. And she was laughing. Yeah. She was laughing. She was like, you know, I, I hear this from women who actually go through it the way you did. So, I mean, again, you know, wow. Birth is not that easy. My, my first one was traumatic. My, my very first one was really hard. Yeah. But, you know, this was my fourth baby.

[00:23:24] But yeah, it was a [00:23:26] very beautiful, um, I’m getting chills everywhere. It was a very beautiful experience of my life. And I think,

[00:23:32] oh my

[00:23:32] Angela: gosh. I was meant to experience that. And as soon as the baby came out, I, the first thing I noticed was her eyes.

[00:23:39] Julie: Yeah.

[00:23:39] Angela: I was like, wow. I’m, I’m in there somewhere. That’s be beautiful.

[00:23:44] Yeah. [00:23:45] Yeah.

[00:23:45] Julie: Oh my gosh. Two things I just wanna bring up for the audience. I am following this new, um, Instagram account. It’s called Girl News or something like that. And they said, um, to your point before about having a female doctor, rah rah, you know, all for men doctors too, [00:24:04] but they said in there that women are 33% more likely or something like that to have major complications or complications if they’re working with a male doctor or surgeon versus a female.

[00:24:18] That’s fascinating.

[00:24:19] Angela: Yeah. I think because our like current [00:24:23] medical system, it, it’s, it, it kind of controls, right? It, yeah. You set a c-section date and you know your water breaks and if it, it’s been more than 12 hours and you have to get an epidural, they have these like systems set in place and I wish I had known.

[00:24:37] I think before, um, in my twenties and my thirties when I became a [00:24:42] mom, then I didn’t really know for my last one, I was very intentional and I read books about natural childbirth and I decided to just trust my body. So, you know, everything just happened naturally. And as you know, we are all like a vessel of God, [00:25:01] right?

[00:25:01] Mm-hmm. Of, of creation. And we all carry extreme power, especially as women. Not saying men don’t have power, but as women and as mothers, right? We’re like, almost like in that moment we’re one with God.

[00:25:16] Yeah.

[00:25:16] Angela: Creating a new life. Like literally bringing new life into [00:25:20] this world. Um, so I, I’m, I’m so, I’m so grateful that I had that experience.

[00:25:26] And when I see my daughter now, like she’s just so perfect. Like she just fits. Yes. Like she just fits. My life. She’s so warm. The family. Yeah. And she kind of has like this rebel energy. Yeah. She, I can tell she might [00:25:39] be the most difficult one out of all my four children, but of course I don’t expect anything less because I, it’s almost like a sacred le rebel, you know, comes up.

[00:25:47] Oh yeah. She purposeful, she make changes. Yes. Purposeful. Like she, her, her rebellious spirit is for a reason, you know? And, um, I, from that, I actually,

[00:25:57] Julie: oh [00:25:58] yeah, I think that that’s very purposeful, you know? Um. I was, uh, what do they call that? Not difficult. Oh my gosh. There’s a word that my mom would always use for me.

[00:26:10] I’ll remember it later on. But basically, I never did what she was telling me to do. And I remember, [00:26:17] um, after going through my spiritual awakening and starting the podcast and kind of having this aha moment of, oh my goodness, looking back, I had to really rebel and hold on to myself and my soul and my [00:26:36] sacredness, um, in order to do this work.

[00:26:41] You know, if I was just bowing down all the time to everybody else. Um. You. You lose your voice. You just completely lose your voice over time. And when [00:26:55] you keep that with you, other people look at it as you’re being difficult or you’re fiery, or you’re too much, but how else are you supposed to be?

[00:27:05] Angela: Yeah, I know I can totally, and you know about this, we talked about this before, but I was, uh, raised in a very traditional Catholic household.

[00:27:13] [00:27:14] My mom, she’s so spiritual and now she’s like entering her seventies. So her relationship to God is a lot more flexible and fluid. But when she, she was raising us like a, a Catholic in her thirties, she was very like by the book and yeah, we couldn’t miss a single, you know, mass and everything was very, I hated rules and guidelines and I [00:27:33] always wanted to escape and be more free.

[00:27:34] And that was also a part of my spirit, which is why I think my teenage and my early adolescent years were a little difficult. Now looking back, um, it’s, it’s never without a reason, but I think as a mom, I can, like, who else can raise another rebellious female [00:27:52] spirit than someone like me, right? Someone who has actually gone through it.

[00:27:55] So I think that’s why she came, you know, as my daughter, and I’ve always been. I would question authorities. Yeah. Um, when they tell me, well, this is just the way it’s been done, I will find other ways to do it. I think that’s just always been my spirit. [00:28:11] And as an artist and as a creative, and as a writer, you kind of have to have that, right?

[00:28:16] Like prescribe rules don’t really apply. Um, especially when you’re trying to create something new,

[00:28:22] Julie: right? Yes. Yes. So let’s go there. You know, I wrote down, um, fear wants to hold onto what [00:28:30] was, and or the idea of the way that we wanted things to go, the way that we wanted things to be. But the soul wants to make space for what is and what is to come.

[00:28:42] A new divine vision that is to come in divine time. All of this was felt [00:28:49] much, much earlier. I think of you as just being one of the biggest empaths. I don’t know if you think about yourself that way. Um, but you know, I think what’s really, really fascinating is that not all people understand what it is to be empathic.

[00:29:04] And as I was thinking about this this morning, [00:29:08] um, you know, on December 16th, I think it was around then, we had the doctor’s appointment last year in 2024 for l and. I just expected to go into the doctor’s appointment and they’re like, yeah, you know, her brace is doing its thing, her curves are holding.

[00:29:24] She’s getting better. Um, but I was [00:29:27] just shocked when the doctor was like, it’s gotten much, much worse. The curves have gotten much, much worse. We may need to talk about surgery. And he said, but we’ll talk about that in summer of 2025. You know, when that is to come. And immediately when he said, may, may need [00:29:46] surgery, the angels like, flash this a vision in my head.

[00:29:49] And other people might not say it’s the angels, but, um, that they just get visions. That is the vision, like the angels placing a vision within you. And Angela, I think that you got this about your relationship way before, but it’s like to [00:30:05] prepare you, right? Like I could see that this was gonna be a surgery year for me and for her, I knew that she couldn’t wait.

[00:30:13] Like it was, I just felt it right from the beginning. And I’m so glad that I did because the surgeons in Chicago don’t talk about VBT surgery, which is this [00:30:24] surgery where you. Retain flexibility of the spine, they would just talk about fusion because that’s what they do. You know, doctors sell the surgery that they do, right?

[00:30:36] And so Spirit was like, don’t wait until next summer. Like you have to hop on this. And [00:30:43] now, and I remember just all of January last year was like research, research, research, research. And, and it brought me to, okay, well we need to go to different doctors. We’re gonna have to travel for this. We’ve never done that before.

[00:30:56] Um, but, but I felt that nervousness that you were talking about earlier, like, [00:31:02] okay, like this isn’t what we anticipated. This isn’t what we wanted. Um, and Spirit just said, you just have to go through a rebuilding year. Like it just is what it is. Beautiful souls. This has been one of the hardest years and we’re still kind [00:31:21] of in the thick of it, and I just wanted to take a moment and say thank you so incredibly much to everyone who financially supports my work.

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[00:34:21] Angela: Oh my gosh. That resonates with me like so strongly. Really it is what it is. Like this is what you’re rebuilding. Yes. Because first of all, I know that [00:34:31] l is your daughter for a reason.

[00:34:33] I think not everyone can handle, are equipped with the ability and, um, the resources to support a child with, you know, various conditions. I also have, my first daughter was born with, um. A [00:34:50] genetic condition that no one can explain. Like it took me six years to get an answer, which would drive any mom crazy, right?

[00:34:56] Yes. Like we’re trying to ask one genetic test after another. Nothing shows up. It turns out her, uh, her genetic condition specifically, it’s called Synap one and doctors don’t even [00:35:09] know what it is ’cause it’s so new. Wow. She was born in 2005 and this term was coin coined that this genetic condition was discovered in 2009.

[00:35:20] Wow. So it didn’t even exist while when she was born. So when I looked for these groups, ’cause even my doctor was like, you know, [00:35:28] there’s no research on this. This is entirely new. Um, what’s really interesting is this is a, this is not hereditary. It’s not genetics. So all the kids that has it, yeah, yeah. And every kid who has it, like it’s, they’re the first generation to carry it.

[00:35:43] There’s no research. She said, he said, you should just try to find like a [00:35:47] Facebook group. There were 200 people and the entire world, like, and I’m like left. I’m like left with this child. This, you know, I’m like in my twenties not knowing where to go again. You know what? Now that you mention it, my entire life look like this.

[00:36:03] Just trust and faith. [00:36:06] Have to figure it out. God just gives me like, here you go. Here’s your, um, surprise. And I have to figure it out. That’s, that’s what that felt like. Yeah. So of all the genetic conditions that my child could have this condition, it’s entirely new and she’s one of the first ones to be researched.[00:36:25]

[00:36:25] Wow. And no one, even the, even the genetic, uh, the geneticist can’t tell me what it is. So, yeah, literally he said, I’m sorry, I don’t know this, it’s so new. Um, just this recent trip to Korea, I was seeing different doctors ’cause my daughter was having some, like, new symptoms and I needed me [00:36:44] medication. None of them knew what it was.

[00:36:46] Wow. It’s, yeah. So now we’re part of a group, a larger group of parents. The community is growing. Yeah. They’re discovering that some of the adults, like older people actually have this, but they lived 25, 30 years not knowing exactly what it was. Like. [00:37:03] It’s, you know, it’s a lot. Yeah. So when I discovered that, I was like, okay, so God really loves to give me these, like, I consider it like lottery.

[00:37:12] Like I get chosen for these like amazing circumstances and situations that appear to me hard at the time. And don’t get me wrong, it’s so hard and, [00:37:22] but it’s like something that I just have to walk through. Um, you know, I became more, uh, like well versed with like the angels and spirit guides in recent years.

[00:37:34] I think, uh, my real awakening kind of coincided with the birth of my daughter [00:37:41] and my journey through the divorce. And it’s funny, I think you are the one who mentioned to me that you’ve kind of sense like divorce in my future. It’s almost like you are mirroring back to me what I had already known. Yeah.

[00:37:53] Deep inside my heart. And it was like a secret that I was carrying inside me because you know, on the outside you want everything to kind of work [00:38:00] out and there’s like the perfectionism, there’s the image, there’s this desire to control and create an outcome that I want, right. That I’ve envisioned ever since I was a young girl.

[00:38:10] I wanted a happy family and a happy ever after marriage. Like, who doesn’t want that? Mm-hmm. I don’t come from. A family with a lot of [00:38:19] divorce. So it’s hard, you know, it’s hard to be the first one.

[00:38:23] Yeah.

[00:38:24] Angela: But, um, yeah, when you told me that, I was like, yeah, she sees it like, you’re right. And you’re not the first person who told me this.

[00:38:33] Like, there were actually a few people that picked up on this with spiritual gifts. So I think [00:38:38] I always knew it was just a matter of like, acting upon it. Yeah. And I just want, I mean, I’m sure you have a lot of female listeners out there too, that people think divorce is like this. Like you get hit by a like lightning, like a lightning strikes one.

[00:38:54] Then you just wake up, be like, oh, I’m going. It doesn’t [00:38:57] work like that. It doesn’t work that way. Mm. It’s a slow, it comes in slow. Like intuitive nudges, slow waves of inner knowing. For women. For women, yeah. For women. You’re right. Yeah. I don’t know how. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Um, and you just kind of feel like, and I just recently wrote about this, like.

[00:39:15] [00:39:16] You’re like, this is not what marriage is supposed to feel like. This is not how I wanna be loved. Right? Yeah. Like, this is not how motherhood should feel, but there are like small little whispers. And now looking back, it is the angels, like it is the guides. It is my intuition. But when I try to talk about this with like [00:39:35] older women in my life, because I was one of the first ones to have children, so a lot of my, you know, friends were still new to marriage, they would tell me like, oh, don’t, you know, don’t worry.

[00:39:46] Like you just have to all that are like that, like love, like that doesn’t exist. Like that’s just how, it’s how it is. And now looking back, I don’t think [00:39:54] they meant harm, but I do feel like these outside voices kind of kept me stuck in situations and cycles that were not true to my soul. Mm-hmm. Like I always knew this doesn’t feel good, but everyone else is telling me this is what it’s supposed to be like.

[00:40:12] So, [00:40:13] you know, again, it’s not even like the fault of my ex-husband. I mean, he’s just, you know, doing his job as a earthly husband in the material world. But I feel like eventually my soul kind of outgrew this marriage and like my soul wanted to fly away and do this like new thing and I know [00:40:32] this new chapter, but that was causing friction.

[00:40:35] Mm-hmm. You know,

[00:40:36] Angela: in, in my marriage. So a

[00:40:38] hundred

[00:40:38] Angela: percent, I think for a lot of women, like the spiritual awakening, soul awakening journey, it does require leaving spaces and confines that keep you, keep your soul. [00:40:51] Kind of stuck.

[00:40:52] Julie: Well, and when we ask other people for their opinion before we go into our own selves and kind of digest things, process, ask ourselves questions, that’s a really big indicator to me of who’s really tuning [00:41:10] in to their spirit team, who’s talking to their soul self, who’s listening to their intuition, and, and versus those who really just want somebody else to tell them the answer.

[00:41:22] And I do think there is, um, something where the angels say. You know, [00:41:29] empaths do see things coming years and years and years in advance and sometimes we have a resistance to it at the beginning. You know, like I just thought with Elle’s back, you know, just put her in this brace and this brace is gonna fix it.

[00:41:45] Or you know, we go through marriage counseling [00:41:48] or we, we, we try and do all of the things to fix it, but I really don’t think looking back that it actually is a resistance. I think it’s a massive quest for clarity, like this journey to really have concrete clarity to say, you know what? I did [00:42:07] everything and I that I could, and you have to give yourself that Angela, that.

[00:42:12] Peace of mind because you really did, like you did everything in your power to try and make this work. But at the end of the day, a relationship is two people. And if the other person isn’t gonna hear [00:42:26] you, listen to you, validate you, or be on board with where you wanna go in life, then you have to make decisions.

[00:42:35] Angela: And I think especially now in the modern world, you know, I know that our ancestors, like my mom, her mom, they didn’t really have the freedom to [00:42:45] choose Right. Often they were just bound to marriages because out of survival, out of necessity. Yes. And I find that now as a like millennial. We’re the first generation of women that actually have a choice, right?

[00:43:00] Like, that are actually making these choices. And kind of like, [00:43:04] again, here comes the rebel, right? Trying to break out of, not, not even try. I think this is just my sole essence. Like I was just born this way where if there’s a structure set in place, I ask, okay, but if it’s not serving me, um, I don’t wanna be stuck in it.

[00:43:19] And I think that’s kind of what the spiritual journey looks like. We often have to like, [00:43:23] break out of these bounds, right? And these, um, prescribed notions of, you know, what is right and wrong. But I wanted to ask you.

[00:43:31] Yeah. Um,

[00:43:32] Angela: yeah, I’ve heard of, I’ve heard of the term empath, right? I think we’re all used to that.

[00:43:36] We’ve heard this a lot, but when you mentioned. We already know [00:43:42] things before they come. Sure. But that’s interesting. Me, to me, if you can like go, go more into detail about that. ’cause when we use the word empath, like it’s just someone that intuitively, intuitively picks up on things like our surrounding or other people, their thoughts and their energy.

[00:43:57] And I feel like in recent years, ever since I [00:44:01] started this like next chapter of my spiritual journey, I feel it more like I can literally walk into a room and feel the energy of the space. I can meet a person. And again, none of it is conscious. I’m not here thinking like, I’m gonna judge this person and see if they’re, you know, like vibrating.

[00:44:17] Hi. Like, it’s not even a, like, it’s [00:44:20] not even through my head or my brain or my logic. I just like intuitively know. It’s like an inner knowing. So if you can kind of go into that and tell me a little more about like, traits of an empath and like how these intuitive hits [00:44:39] come. Yeah. ’cause I think that’s another challenge for me too, is learning to trust that, because I think I’ve had in my entire life, looking back, I always had feelings.

[00:44:48] I had dreams, I had like a bird visiting me all week last week. It was insane. Like, oh, beautiful. Was it two weeks ago? And the, the bird just kept tapping on [00:44:58] my window and it wouldn’t stop.

[00:45:00] Wow.

[00:45:00] Angela: Every morning. And ev just, and I to a point where I was like, okay, this must be a, a message from the universe. So I’ve had a lot of these like synchronistic things that happened in recent years that’s aligning with my next chapter, you know, this like sacred pause that [00:45:17] I’m in.

[00:45:17] But yeah, I would love to get your guidance and if you can tell me more about that, I think that’d be very helpful. Not just for me, but for other listeners.

[00:45:25] Julie: A hundred percent. So empaths, um, what I was trying to say earlier, and I don’t know if I communicated this right, [00:45:36] is we have always had that knowingness.

[00:45:39] How could we not? Right? Like that is from this. Soul, and you’re always the soul first. You’re so deeply connected. Um, and so oftentimes you’re right from childhood, we just have things that are [00:45:55] like these huge signs on the highway that we gravitate towards. Um, imagine that you’re on the other side before you even came in for this lifetime.

[00:46:05] Right? And you get shown, you get shown the entire thing, really maybe to us and human time. It takes three [00:46:14] minutes for them to like see the entire life and you for to go, yeah, okay, you know, I could do that. Um, but you’re as a soul absorbing all of it. The myo markers, I don’t think that we. Know how [00:46:33] everybody else is going to choose their free will, because that’s what free will is, right?

[00:46:40] Like they have the option to choose, um, every, every choice in life. But if. You go through life and just some things hit different, [00:46:52] right? Whether it’s a person or something. I remember being in high school and these kids, or no middle school, and these kids came in from high school and they’re like, you’re gonna be in high school next year.

[00:47:04] We have this newspaper thing that you can do, this journalism, um, you know, paper that you can write [00:47:11] for. And just, it hit different. I remember going home and telling my mom and she’s like, you have to do that. You have to do that. I still take that teacher who was my teacher all four years in high school out to lunch, um, and stay in regular contact with her, and I really wouldn’t have started the podcast without that.

[00:47:29] [00:47:30] But you don’t really understand when you’re in the middle of it, how all the puzzle pieces connect. I think from this perspective of having the podcast, having interviewed people and having worked with so many people myself, what I would say is there’s some people who. [00:47:49] Allow themselves to stop by those big signs and get knocked over by them and be like, oh, that’s for me.

[00:47:58] You know, there’s something there. And then there’s other people who really just want what they want and keep going full speed towards what they [00:48:08] want. And when we do that, we’re really bypassing the soul. Right. Um, and so, let me see, um, I, I remember knowing when I was in elementary school that I wanted to, um, be a priest or a [00:48:27] nun, but then they wouldn’t let you do that.

[00:48:28] Right. Um, and so I thought, well, I was wrong or I was bad. And then I remember being in, uh, middle school and high school and reading spiritual teachers, uh, like Maryanne Williamson and being like, okay, well then that’s what I wanna do. And, um. [00:48:46] Just those gut knowingness is, I even knew when I was young that I wanted to have children, uh, a child, to have a partner, to have a family.

[00:48:56] And I do know people who knew when they were young that they didn’t want that. You know, what is that? What is it that it’s been with us all of these years? [00:49:05] But you can also be in the current moment in your life and forecast out. Like, um, I’m doing a spiritual retreat this weekend, and this is one of the things that I’m gonna do with them is, okay, you’re here in this physical body right now.

[00:49:21] What is it that’s really calling to your heart? What’s [00:49:24] calling to you? What’s been calling to you that you haven’t tuned into, that you won’t allow yourself to really want it? Um, but whatever’s with you in your heart right now, whatever you’ve been seeing isn’t just there because it’s wishful thinking like that’s there because it’s for you.

[00:49:42] [00:49:43] It’s meant for you.

[00:49:46] Angela: Yeah, that’s, um, yeah. So it’s so interesting that you say this, ’cause everything that’s happened throughout my life, it’s almost like I knew it was gonna happen. Yeah. Um, my, my ex-husband now, for some reason, I had a feeling I was gonna end up [00:50:02] marrying him. Mm-hmm.

[00:50:02] Like,

[00:50:03] Angela: I just had this feeling, and I think I told a, I think I’m gonna marry him.

[00:50:06] I ended up marrying him. Um, and in, in my marriage, I couldn’t envision my deathbed with him by my side. Like, you know, I’m, I’m always, because I have like this one vision in my life, it’s, [00:50:21] you know, you see those like, um, like reels or videos of like an old couple. There’s like an old grandma, an old grandma, and they’re like, you know, mid to late, like seventies and eighties, and they’re just so madly in love with each other.

[00:50:36] Yes. And you can tell that this is like those high [00:50:40] vibration. Like amazing, most beautiful love that, that they’ve, you know, cultivated over the years. Like, to me, that’s my end goal. Like, yeah, of course I wanna have enough money and I want my kids to be healthy. Like, that’s, that’s all there. But that’s my, the ultimate end goal of my soul.

[00:50:58] [00:50:59] And I, when I try to fast forward envision that I couldn’t see my husband, the father of my children next to me. So I think I always knew that, um, the divorce in my forties, as hard as it was when I was going through it, I think deep down inside [00:51:18] intuitively I always knew. Yeah. Um, and even my future, I almost feel like, I kind of know, like I think this conversation with you is reminding me like I already know where I’m going.

[00:51:29] It’s just the fear. Yeah. It’s just the ego. It’s just the having to pivot, having to rise [00:51:37] out of our comfort zone. Right. Like I had my identity. For so long as a mother, as a wife, in a way that gives you comfort, right? Like I have, there’s a meaning outside of me just being a woman, Angela, right? When you’re a mom, you’re busy raising your children.[00:51:56]

[00:51:56] When you’re a wife, you have to, you know, like please, or serve or do your part as, as a wife, as a mother, I think for the first time in my life I am like faced with myself and I have to ask myself like, who are you? Yeah. Stripped [00:52:15] from all those titles, like who are you as a soul? And that’s what this summer has really, um.

[00:52:21] Been teaching me. I thought the summer was for my kids, but it was actually more for me. And God tends to do that. I’m realizing that’s what happens in my life where I feel like I’m doing something for other people, but it’s actually more for [00:52:34] me. God is like saying you have to look at yourself first before you try to go like save the world.

[00:52:39] You know? For me it’s like for me, saving the world is like saving my. My, my kids or you know, being there for my community of women and moms, right? Like this is, I’ve always had my identity tied to helping others. And I [00:52:53] think now for the first time, I’m realizing I have to help myself get to like. If it’s like a boat, I have to get the sail right.

[00:53:01] ’cause this is like my next chapter opening. So, yeah. Um,

[00:53:06] Julie: I, yeah. Spirit had me write this down for you too. You know, when you said it before and, and they reminded me [00:53:12] when you said it again, creators, um, are creating the path as well. You know, creators, a lot of empaths who feel called to create movement within the world, what they’re doing hasn’t been done, been done yet.

[00:53:28] And they rely so heavily on that [00:53:31] empathic nature because they are channeling it through. And you can’t copy something. You can’t replicate something that’s already been done. And you know, a lot of the energy, I’m gonna talk about this in another episode, but. The energy right now on Earth. If you lived in [00:53:50] 1999 and you were kind of aware in 1999 of what life was like, remember when everybody was so nervous about getting to New Year’s and like Y 2K and is everything gonna go dark?

[00:54:03] You know, all the electricity is gonna go out, what’s gonna happen? It, it didn’t, it was just a [00:54:09] total revolutionary period of this information age just starting to come forward. And, um, we’re really at that point again where there’s something new emerging, there’s something coming in. And I think a lot of us who are creators, um.

[00:54:26] Really don’t want [00:54:28] it to be the way that it’s been over the last five years, that the algorithms really get to dictate what’s creative and what’s not. And so before all of us is just this complete. Jungle, right? There is no road for us to drive over. There is no car. [00:54:47] We’re walking through it with a machete.

[00:54:49] Just kind of like hacking our way forward. And that’s what leaders do. That’s what creators are here to do, is create the road that everybody else is gonna come in on with their cars and drive over. Um, but it’s also [00:55:06] happening so fast that I think that everybody needs more than ever before, and this is gonna continue for the next 50 years, um, to really tune in to their own spirituality because I think that there’s almost like a fake spirituality emerging where people think [00:55:25] that they’re getting respite, they’re getting nourished, they’re getting, you know, relaxed and replenished through these various different things.

[00:55:33] But it’s not, and it’s not sole work. And a lot of people feel, um, very. Empty on a soul level. Not you, but just a lot of people that I’m seeing. [00:55:44] Um, so watch out for that listeners. You know, that you really need to identify, Hey, what do I need from me? I have a toothbrush in my bathroom so I can brush my teeth every night.

[00:55:55] You know, I have my facial soap, I have my hair soap. What is it that you need soul care wise to take care of [00:56:03] yourself? Because nobody else is coming in to help you with this. And the more that we like. Push off our empathic nature, push off our sensitivity, push off. Um, you know, what we know is coming in the future, our own intuition.

[00:56:18] It, it doesn’t get us where we’re going faster. It’s like [00:56:22] putting all of this weight on you that just slows you down or drives you in circles. Um, the more that you step into your own intuition, even though it is scary, even though you don’t know what’s coming ahead, I promise you it is so much better, easier, faster.

[00:56:40] [00:56:41] And I think that we’re here to teach people yes, it’s scary. Yes, you own your feelings. Yes, you cry when you need to cry and you get down when you need to get down. But also, how freaking exciting is it that we are the souls that got to be [00:57:00] here at this time, this moment in time, because we’re shifting everything.

[00:57:06] Angela: You’re so right about that. You know, uh, I recently, um, I’ve been using threads a lot ’cause the algorithm Instagram, what is threads? TikTok Threads is like, uh, it’s almost like a Twitter, [00:57:19] but it’s, uh, it’s more you just, um, yeah, old, old school, uh, Twitter. But you are right. You know, when I first started my career as like a mom blogger, this was like that, you know, mom bloggers are really in, and this was the second generation of mom influencers or creators kind of shifting into, um, [00:57:38] Instagram.

[00:57:38] And it was, I loved being on there. Like, I was able to just connect with other women and talk to other moms because I was stuck at home, like raising young children. So it was a very happy time. Yeah, it was a very creative time and I genuinely made like so many amazing, uh, friends and we [00:57:57] created a community of other women and mothers.

[00:57:59] It was a very enjoyable time. And then of course. It had to become something else. And now I do, when I open my Instagram or TikTok, there’s just like so much noise and everything is like algorithm. All the content is like algorithm driven, whatever’s viral, whatever is [00:58:16] trending. And I just see the same, all my, you know, like the people that I’m following, doing the same trend that I, I, I understand like the value of entertaining content.

[00:58:26] Um, and I get it, sometimes we, we wanna be entertained and like mindless scroll, but that can’t be the only thing, right? Doesn’t, that can’t be the only that we [00:58:35] consume.

[00:58:35] Julie: No, it doesn’t. It’s a box. It’s like the jail. Like, yes, it feels like you have to do this. Well then I don’t wanna do that. You know, like, I, I don’t, yeah.

[00:58:43] And, you know. Yeah, exactly.

[00:58:44] Angela: And you know, I’ve been thinking a lot about the movie matrix lately. Oh yes, yes. I don’t know why I keep coming back to the Matrix, because I feel like that’s [00:58:54] happening right now. Yeah. Like, I’m seeing a lot of parallels. I know that movie’s kind of old, but whatever. Because at that time the movie just felt so futuristic.

[00:59:03] Yeah, right. Everyone’s like trapped in this like, you know, matrix. And when I look at how things are right now, like with ai, I mean Chachi, PTII, I do [00:59:13] use it sometimes, but the way content is looking, the way algorithm is looking, what the algorithm is, is feeding me. I literally feel like we’re the matrix.

[00:59:24] Julie: Well, I’m gonna, I’ll break it down for you just a little bit if you wanna hear it. ’cause I think this is really fascinating. I’m gonna do a whole episode. I’ve been telling the [00:59:32] listeners for like two months I’m gonna do this episode. I just haven’t had time to like give it all. Um, but here’s like a mini snippet and I’m gonna go to like the way woowoo.

[00:59:41] So if you’re not really woowoo, I apologize. But, um, okay. So just track with me here. So with [00:59:51] ai. Um, I do think that it is going to be like, we wake up and there’s just gonna be like entire jobs that are gone. You know, like bots that are accountants and bots that, you know, um, do your tile and just can kind of do a, a lot where you wake up and [01:00:10] there’s just jobs that are completely taken.

[01:00:12] Um, with that, what a lot of people are saying in the background is that there could be a lot of crime that happens. I don’t want people to worry about that. I have really explored this mentally. I, I do not see the [01:00:29] world going to a place of just crazy apocalypse. I don’t see that at all. Um. I, I really have a lot of peace when it comes to the future, but there’s some things that I haven’t totally figured out, and one of them is, um, with [01:00:48] all of that crime, what they’re saying is that there is gonna be some sort of metaverse where even beyond Facebook, Instagram, we’re gonna be much more inside a virtual reality than even we are right now.

[01:01:01] If you think, you know, most teen girls are like on Instagram or TikTok, most boys are [01:01:07] on video games. Imagine that all merging into this online. Matrix simulated thing, um, where people earn an income in there, right? So if people are really, um, a lot of people [01:01:26] are more inside this online simulated reality, earning this income, not really wanting to take care of their physical body.

[01:01:35] You know, if you’re in this online simulation, one of the things that I’ve been shown from the angels, that that is, that there’s a lot of people who will start to look at the [01:01:45] physical body as a nuisance. Something that I have to take care of. I have to come out of this matrix, uh, metaverse virtual reality to take care of my body.

[01:01:57] My body can get sick. Um. And so will they start to, at some [01:02:04] point not want a physical body? Is the point eventually that some, some, you know, will they take the consciousness? Because this is something I’ve been exploring for over 10 years as a journalist. I’m always looking for the headlines I used to pick for A, B, C and NBC as an intern.[01:02:23]

[01:02:23] Um, the headlines. And so I look for the headlines that disappear right away. That should have become bigger news. And I saw it about 10 years ago where they said, um, by 2050 scientists will be able to take your consciousness out of your physical body and put it [01:02:42] into something else. Right. Um, that, that movie, mountain Head on HBO was kind of talking about that.

[01:02:51] But that’s actually true. They’re looking for it. And scientists that I’ve talked to have said, you know what’s really fascinating, Julie, is that they thought that the consciousness was only [01:03:01] inside the brain that they would be able to go in, extract it, but they can’t take it all out because it’s not just in the brain, it’s in your ORIC field, it’s in your body, it’s everywhere.

[01:03:12] And so I do kind of wonder if they’re having a harder time with that than they thought that they would. But that’s their [01:03:20] goal, is to be able to take the consciousness out. So. Is that the ultimate goal of some of these tech companies is to put your consciousness completely into this more virtual reality.

[01:03:33] 50, 75, a hundred years down the road. You know, that’s like kind of

[01:03:37] Angela: scary. Maybe tell me [01:03:39] old school, but I,

[01:03:40] Julie: that’s

[01:03:40] Angela: a very scary thought. You know, and I’m raising children and my older ones are, you know, in their teens and, and when I compare the world, they’re. Um, their social media world. World then to now, like with my younger, it’s another generation.

[01:03:56] Gen Z and Gen [01:03:58] Alpha are completely different. Um, Ooh, how so? Tell everybody how so, yeah, so, um, my, my older daughters, one’s just graduated high school. She’s going off to college, you know, she excelled in school. Really good girl. When she was young, I thought she was watching too much TV when she was on Netflix, right?

[01:04:15] Yeah. She was watching Netflix for a [01:04:17] couple hours a day. While I’m like doing dishes and things. But these were all, I guess, created by people who are, you know, like they’re legitimate creators of these children’s shows, and I’m sure they have like, educational experts that are able to give them advice and like guide them.

[01:04:35] But now the [01:04:36] younger kids are all about YouTube. So from like, uh, gen Gen Alpha, they don’t wanna watch movies. I always try to get them to watch classics like long form, you know, like just Disney or. You know, just normal, like wholesome movies. They are just into these short [01:04:55] form Yeah. Shorts. Oh yeah.

[01:04:57] Created by other creators that have like, no. Right. They have no guidelines. There are no like boundaries and there’s no like, I guess they do have like a child safety or like age rating, but you [01:05:14] can’t always Right. Like no, you can’t always control that on YouTube. And that’s what they’re into. And my 8-year-old just asked for a VR headset, said for his birthday, and I’m starting to see the changes of like their world versus even my, even Gen Z.[01:05:33]

[01:05:33] Yeah. And as a parent it’s kind of alarming. And as much as I know this is just the way that I can’t stop the world from changing. Right. It’s only me. Yeah. It’s really making me realize the value of like. Just connecting with your soul. Yeah. Like that, just that [01:05:52] ancient Right. To not lose it, that old

[01:05:53] school.

[01:05:54] Angela: Yeah. Like way of just living, just praying and just, just being there and just being present and being together like in person. I, I just, I don’t know, their roles are so different. I have concerns about how they will be, how their brains will be when [01:06:11] they’re in their teen years and just watching hundred percent, you know, two different, you know, generations within like a span of 10 year difference.

[01:06:20] Mm-hmm. Growing up

[01:06:21] Angela: so differently. It does, uh, make me concerned. I think it also makes me realize like how important for us women and [01:06:30] mothers to stay grounded Yes. In our spirituality. ’cause we’re the ones that are raising them, essentially. We’re the ones that are, that’s like their lifehouse we’re their guide a hundred percent.

[01:06:42] They look to us and it, unless we’re centered. Unless we are doing, you know, soul [01:06:49] aligned work, they can get really lost in the matrix in the metaverse one day.

[01:06:54] Julie: Oh my god. A hundred percent. And I think that we’re actually in that fight right now. You know, if you watch that four Seasons with, um. Oh, gosh, what is her name from 30 Rock?

[01:07:07] Who is in [01:07:08] it? She’s so good. Um, there was like this whole conversation between a husband and wife of just, she’s scrolling at night and he’s not even feeling connected to her anymore. Um, but I, I do see in the future where it’s gonna start to split and to shift. And this is [01:07:27] something we’ll talk about more later too, but I think a lot of people are going to reject technology, um, where you’re gonna see a lot of people want to get back to using their hands kind of being on farms.

[01:07:41] And I think you’re gonna see entire communities, if not [01:07:46] territories or states, uh, that just really want to. Be not with a lot of technology, just be human again.

[01:07:57] Angela: Right. Yeah. Also, do you, do you kind of, uh, sense that, that’s so interesting you said that ’cause

[01:08:01] Julie: Well ’cause that’s like the opposite of what spirit show.

[01:08:03] Like, so Spirit [01:08:05] shows me both futures that both are gonna be part of this.

[01:08:08] Angela: Yes.

[01:08:08] Julie: Oh,

[01:08:09] Angela: wow. So yeah. I, I know what, you know, what I’m gonna choose when that split happens. I’m just gonna be with the humans. I’m not gonna into the metaverse. I know, I know. Yeah.

[01:08:18] Julie: A farm with some chickens, right? Yeah. Just, just grow your

[01:08:21] Angela: own chickens.

[01:08:22] Grow your own vegetables [01:08:24] and plants and, but you know, that’s so interesting you mentioned that. ’cause I, you know, for my career I’ve been, um, a, a mom creator which turned, became an influencer, you know, and I made this entire career out of that. And recently as I’m on this journey of, uh, awakening,

[01:08:42] [01:08:43] yeah.

[01:08:43] Angela: I don’t really align with it anymore because.

[01:08:46] It’s all about likes and the views and, and the algorithms. Even when I wanna create something new, before I used to be able to create from the heart, from my soul for my audience. But now I don’t even think my audience sees my content. Now I have [01:09:02] to feed the algorithm, feed the machine. So even in, as I’m creating, I’m not thinking about what value can I add to my followers or I’m not.

[01:09:11] That’s not because now I have think, I have to think about what value, how, how viral would this content be? What would the algorithm like? And that doesn’t feel good to me. It

[01:09:20] Julie: doesn’t, it doesn’t [01:09:21]

[01:09:21] Angela: feel me either. Doesn’t. Right. And, and before content creation used to be from the heart. Yeah. You know, longer captions, you know, images that mean something to me.

[01:09:30] Photographs and videos that actually. Sure. You know, some of them are sponsored, but there was, uh, actual joy and creativity in it. [01:09:40] But nowadays when I get a sponsored job, it’s like you wanna, you have to feed the algorithm what is trending, use that hook to grab your, you know, audience’s attention. It’s like half the people that have followed me over the past 10 years don’t even see my content unless like it gets fed into this [01:09:59] machine.

[01:09:59] And it really kind of sucked the joy out of creation for me for a while. Yeah. Um, so recently, how’d you find your way

[01:10:06] Julie: back from that? Yeah,

[01:10:07] Angela: yeah. You know, so, so I took a step back, you know, um, Instagram is definitely not what it used to be. I hear TikTok is going down eventually, or they’re doing, you know, [01:10:18] there’s a political right reasons behind it.

[01:10:21] I decided to take a step back, and recently I just began writing again. Mm-hmm. So, um, on Substack, I don’t know if it’s a community. Yeah. It’s kind of like old school blogging, Tumblr. It’s almost like we’ve come back Yeah. To early two thousands [01:10:37] in a, in a brand new format. And I see people there where I think this is like, like the people on the farm, it’s like the people who are refusing to feed the algorithm.

[01:10:47] So all the writers are there. I think you could, you know, like there’s politicians, there’s, I’ve been feeling called over to this. Yes. Yes. So I, I just [01:10:56] started, I opened it like six months. I’m not really writing in a heavy right now, but I’m gonna start to actually, but it feels a lot human, right? Like, you’re not feeling the algorithm.

[01:11:07] There’s a clear voice. Um, you know, you don’t have to be a, a celebrity or insta-famous person to be seen. [01:11:15] And it feels like. The old days. Yeah. Like we’ve come back 20 years. Um, I do you remember like the old school blogging the days? Oh my gosh, of course. Yes. It feels like that and it’s kind of great and um, I’ve been kind of channeling my focus into that ’cause it just [01:11:34] feels more aligned to my soul right now.

[01:11:36] So there aren’t any

[01:11:37] Julie: algorithms over there.

[01:11:39] Angela: I think they have their own, I have yet to figure it out, but I do feel that the algorithm is a lot more genuine. Mm-hmm. And it’s also the viewership. I think it’s people who are looking for more genuine [01:11:53] human, you know, everyday content versus Instagram or TikTok that is looking for, they’re just looking for trending stuff.

[01:12:02] Like the latest trend, the latest hook, the viral things. And I just saw like boring. Yeah. I just saw, I’m seeing this trend where [01:12:12] it’s like the, is it Nicki Minaj or I got, maybe I got this wrong, but it’s like women wearing like high heels, stilettos on this like stack of books and they’re like reading something and it’s a, it’s a fun trend that’s going viral.

[01:12:24] It’s fun, but I see everyone doing it. So you were spending like five hours out of your day, right. [01:12:31] Putting on makeup, getting dressed up, setting up a stack of books to be on this kitchen counter, to film this reel to feed the algorithm. You just spent five hours of your day doing that. But for what? Like what is the value of this?

[01:12:46] Yeah, sure. It’s entertainment, but why do we all have to do [01:12:50] that?

[01:12:50] Julie: Right,

[01:12:51] Angela: right. Like, yeah. So I keep finding myself asking that question whenever I, again, don’t get me wrong, I think some trends are beautiful. If it’s something that I find value in it, you should, you know, join it. But I see a lot of meaningless, just time and energy sucking, you know, viral [01:13:09] trends.

[01:13:09] And it makes me think about not only me as a viewer, and not only like the tens and thousands of people that are watching this, but how about the creators they’re spending, right? Like, yeah, three to five hours. Creating this and what are we becoming,

[01:13:26] Julie: right? So I was just out in [01:13:28] la um, for business and I’ve had probably like 20 conversations in the last month that have gone, like, it’s all, uh, it earmuffs, kids, earmuffs.

[01:13:41] It’s all bullshit. It’s all bullshit. Everything. Like when [01:13:47] you are in the Wizard of Oz and you get to go peek behind the screen and you look at what everything really is, I’m telling you, it’s all bullshit. And so I had this one just like really, really deep conversation while I was out there and she was telling me about how, um, she went to a healer circle.[01:14:06]

[01:14:06] And they had been working with this woman for a couple of years, um, to help her with her illness. And she was on her deathbed and she asked them all this healer’s circle to come in and just be with her as she passed. And so they’re all there. And basically [01:14:25] what she said in her last words were, oh my gosh.

[01:14:29] It was never about the next thing, right? The next book or the next this that I was going to create, she said in her final words, uh, final moments. It was all about the moments that [01:14:44] we get to be here with just another soul, connecting, talking, sharing. And, and that’s it. You know, there, there is some beauty in creation when you have the freedom to do it because it comes from your soul.

[01:14:59] But that creativity sparks from [01:15:03] these beautiful conversations that we get to have just one-on-one soul to soul, or with groups of people like we’re gonna do this weekend at the retreat. Um, that’s meaningful.

[01:15:17] Angela: So I, yeah, you’re, you’re so right about that. And I feel that we’re [01:15:22] now battling against the machine, right?

[01:15:25] Yeah. Whether it’s ai, the algorithm, or the metaverse. I do see that coming, you know, YouTube shorts, our kids are just being bombarded with a lot of bullshit. Yeah, I completely agree. ’cause now my soul, like I can pick it up, right? Like now that we’re older, we’re, we’re mature, [01:15:41] we’re wiser, you know, this is meaningless, yet this is, yeah.

[01:15:44] Kind of where the world is going. So that means that it’s like these like in-person workshops, right? Like books like what I used to, yeah. Physical books. Like touching tangible pages. Oh. Like writing on a journal. Human things, human activities [01:16:00] that a machine or the algorithm cannot do and produce. I do agree that now it’s becoming more and more valuable than ever.

[01:16:08] Yeah.

[01:16:09] Angela: And we have to kind of lead that process. Our kids are looking to us for direction and I think when like Instagram and TikTok, when, you know, social [01:16:19] media first came about, it was fun because it was a tool to connect us to other humans. Yeah. And that’s really what it felt like. ’cause we can’t always connect to like someone across the world without this tool.

[01:16:31] But eventually now we’re getting. Sucked in. Yeah. Now these pools are starting to own [01:16:38] us.

[01:16:38] Mm-hmm. You know,

[01:16:39] Angela: and we’re becoming a slave to the algorithm and yeah. I’m not, I’m not okay with that. So if the world splits, I’m gonna be on the farm. We’re gonna be on the farm together. Yes. We’re gonna be there together.

[01:16:50] Yes.

[01:16:51] Julie: I want those along fluffy chickens. The ones with like the long Oh, they’re so cute. Oh no. They got the fluffy little [01:16:57] legs. Yes. Yes. I

[01:16:58] Angela: wanna grow some bunnies and I wanna grow and have some like beautiful rose bushes and let’s, I honestly, let’s do it. Honestly. Think that would be make me feel so much more fulfilled.

[01:17:09] Yeah. You know, I think we just need to continue to do this very human soul level work. And I know it [01:17:16] gets exhausting sometimes now, like whatever business you own, you have to create content. Yeah. And that must be hard. ’cause not all business owners are content creators, right? A hundred percent. Hundred percent.

[01:17:28] But we just have to, I guess, focus. Redirect our attention on like why we’re doing it and just really [01:17:35] focus on that soul to soul, human to human interaction. Yeah. More in-person meetings, your retreats, right? Like, I wanna work on a book next and I wanna get people reading.

[01:17:47] Yeah. An

[01:17:47] Angela: actual book again. Right?

[01:17:50] A hundred percent. Like, like hearing real stories that did not come from the [01:17:54] algorithm. I just want, I think there is like this desire to just go back to life and it was more simple. Yeah. And natural and fluid and just connecting.

[01:18:07] Julie: A hundred percent. That’s where the chaos this year has brought me. You know, I’ve felt the angels more [01:18:13] than ever before.

[01:18:14] You know, just be here guiding me, leading me. And that’s what I keep hearing is it, it’s really your day. You know what you do every day. You know your routine, what you do within your hour, within your five minutes that you have, that is really who we [01:18:32] are and how we’re spending our time is just, um, of the soul or not.

[01:18:38] And really wanting to just make everything like you’re saying, for people to come back home to their soul self. Angela, I love you forever. I have to run to the retreat, but I want you to [01:18:51] tell everybody where you, where they can find you and follow your soulful content.

[01:18:57] Angela: Oh my gosh. Okay. Yeah. So you could find me on Instagram.

[01:19:00] I’m on TikTok. Um. My hand goes mommy diary. I don’t know how much longer I’ll have that. I did run a, a blog. I do run a mother’s lifestyle [01:19:10] blog called Mommy Diary, but I’m in the career transition right now, so you can find me there for now, and hopefully I can talk to you again when I’m on my next chapter.

[01:19:21] Julie: Sounds wonderful. Angela, thank you for taking time outta your Friday to be here. Of course. It was so amazing. I had so much

[01:19:27] Angela: fun. I always love hearing from you and [01:19:29] learning from you. Aw.

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[01:21:42] Again, deep breath. Inhaling the pure white light and love of God, making you feel weightless and filled with joy. And I want you to exhale all of the heaviness that you’ve been carrying in your oric field, in [01:22:01] your chakras, in your body. Friends, no matter where you are in your life, your angels need you to know that you are so, so loved.

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