Have you ever wondered what heaven is truly like? In this profound episode, I sit down with Vinney Tolman, who shares the intricate details of his near-death experience after being pronounced dead in 2003. He describes his guide, Drake, the stunning landscape of a heaven made of liquid light, and the living water that healed his soul’s deepest trauma. Vinney explains the spiritual principles he had to learn—like authenticity and releasing prejudice—to even enter the heavenly realm, and we discuss the purpose of angels, the structure of dimensions, and why choice (and even evil) is necessary for our soul’s growth. This conversation is a powerful reminder of where we come from and who we really are.

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Episode Highlights:
• Vinney’s detailed account of heaven as a planet of liquid light, where everything—from grass to buildings—is conscious and emits love.
• The crucial life lesson on the “pointed finger,” revealing that judgment of others ultimately points blame back at ourselves and at Source.
• Why the existence of evil is necessary as an option for true choice and soul growth, a perspective learned directly from his guide.

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TRANSCRIPT:

[Julie Jancius] (0:00 – 1:55)
Hello friends, welcome to the Angels and Awakening podcast. I’m your host, Julie Jancis. If you love this podcast, please be our angel.

Ask a friend to listen, subscribe, rate us 5 stars, leave a positive review, and share a screenshot of this podcast on your Facebook or Instagram stories. So my dad passed away in 2015. We weren’t talking and it took a month for his family to track me down.

Before I ever knew he was gone, I started hearing from him in heaven. It consumed me. How is communication with the other side even possible?

I left my corporate gig, studied with spiritual teachers on every coast and worked with my angels to figure out the answers. Today, my mission is teaching you how to raise your vibration, shift your thoughts, trust your intuition, develop your unique spiritual gifts, and connect with your loved ones and angels on the other side. Friends, when you have these tools, life really does become heaven on earth.

Hello, beautiful souls. Welcome back to the Angels and Awakening podcast. I’m your host and author, Julie Jancis.

And friends, today we are here with Vinny Tolman. You might have heard his near-death story on other podcasts or YouTube channels. I got to meet Vinny at the IANS conference recently, and it just blew me away.

The intricacy of your near-death experience just is unparalleled of what you saw, how you saw it. I’m thinking specifically of Drake and his tie-in with your actual family lineage. So Vinny, welcome to the show.

I’m so excited that you’re here.

[Vinney Tolman] (1:55 – 1:59)
Yeah, thank you for having me, Julie. I’m very excited to be here.

[Julie Jancius] (2:00 – 2:05)
Amazing. And I should mention that all of this is in your book. Tell everybody what the name of that is.

[Vinney Tolman] (2:05 – 2:12)
The book is called The Light After Death. It’s just a recollection of my experience and kind of my takeaways from the experience.

[Julie Jancius] (2:12 – 2:39)
I think that this just sets it up so beautifully, your near-death experience. All of us here are so fascinated in angels, why angels were created, what the role of angels are. And if you explain what you see on the other side, any detail about angels would be very much appreciated as well, kind of as you go through.

But let’s start with your story.

[Vinney Tolman] (2:39 – 3:02)
Okay, well, first, I want to say angels are my co-workers. My nine-to-five is working with angels every day. I love angels.

I’m on Team Mikhail, which is the Michael, right? It’s like what they call the God’s army. I keep this little guy as my reminder.

I love that I am on a podcast that is friendly with angels. There’s not a lot of those out there.

[Julie Jancius] (3:02 – 3:03)
Really?

[Vinney Tolman] (3:03 – 3:06)
Yeah, you’d think there’d be a ton, right?

[Julie Jancius] (3:06 – 3:08)
How could anybody be anti-angel?

[Vinney Tolman] (3:09 – 9:57)
Well, I’ve actually had a lot of traditional, very religious people tell me that when you work with angels, you’re acting in sacrilege. Because they’re saying, you’re not working with God, you’re working with something other than God. And that’s kind of like saying, okay, the team didn’t win the football game, the ball did.

No, no, no, no. Angels are on the team of God, or the team of source. And it’s source that brings us angels.

We can use an angel for good or for bad. But that’s us, that’s not the angel. The angel wants the best for us, always.

My story, it starts in 2003. I was found dead in a Dairy Queen bathroom. The medics, they pronounced me dead.

They put me in a body bag. They went to take my body to the medical examiner. When one of the medics who was sitting in the back of the ambulance, he felt something tell him that I wasn’t all the way dead.

So he broke protocols, he opened that body bag, and he was able to resuscitate my heart or get my heart started back up. And when that happened, I was only, you know, a few hundred feet from a hospital when the heart started. So they were able to go directly into a hospital and hand me over to a trauma team.

And at this point, I was watching everything from above. I didn’t know that I was dead, though. I thought I was watching some type of entertainment.

And I was very involved in it. I was, you know, rooting for the medic to try to save this guy. And I was rooting for whoever this guy was.

And then I saw in the hospital, as they were trying to work on the body, the body was going into seizures. And I saw them strap the arms and the legs of this guy. And that’s when I felt someone was strapping my arms where I was sitting.

And so I looked down specifically where my left arm should have been, I looked down, and I was looking at the left arm of the body. I wasn’t looking at what I thought was, I was looking at the left arm of the body. And I had this very scary moment right then and there where it was like, it’s almost like those movie moments where it’s like, I felt this heavy scariness come over me, that everything I’ve been witnessing for hours was my death.

And it wasn’t entertainment. It was me, that was me. And so I, it shot me into a space of fear.

And I started to see anything bad that I ever did in my life. I got to see it from my eyes, but also the eyes of those who I did it to. That made me think, if this is all that I am, why, why am I me?

And as soon as I had that thought, I started to see all the good that I ever did. I got to see it from in my eyes, but also the eyes of those who I was able to do good for. And it was a beautiful process to see how many times in this life we’re doing good things, even when we don’t know we are.

So I got to see a lot of good. And you know, thank goodness, the good side was a lot longer than the bad side. And I got to feel this warmth starting to come over me as I saw the good things that I ever did.

And I could feel it was coming from behind me. So I turned around to see where this warmth was coming from. And I saw this man who’s all dressed in white.

He had a long white beard with long white hair. And my first instinct was to think, oh, this has to be God. And as soon as I thought that, I heard in his voice, in my mind, I heard him say, no, son, I’m not God.

And so my follow-up thought was, are you Jesus? And his follow-up was, no, son, I’m not Jesus. He said, my name is Drake.

I’m here to be your guide. I can help you go wherever you want to go. And so I thought about that for a moment.

I didn’t know where I wanted to go. But he pointed back to my body and he said, I can take you back to your body. And when I looked back there, it looked like a scene out of a movie where there’s a guy sitting on, straddling my body.

And he was jamming a syringe into my chest. There was people frantically running around doing things. And so looking at that, I knew I didn’t want that.

I knew for a fact I did not want that. So I wanted to know what the other options were. And I asked Drake, I said, I’m feeling so much love come from you.

Can I go to wherever that’s coming from? So he showed me, yes, I can. He says, that’s coming from our home.

I can take you to our home if you like. So I said, let’s do it. Let’s go to my home.

Let’s go to our home. So we began a journey and the journey itself, it took like two days. I was in a coma for three days.

And I feel like most of my three day coma was getting to the heavenly realm. I had to learn a few things, some very important things. One of the most important things was I had to learn that authenticity was the first thing I had to embrace before I could even move towards the heaven space.

And authenticity is different than how we think it is. So he showed me that authenticity is being the same person wherever you go and whoever you’re with. That means if you’re going to be a grumpy guy, you’d be a grumpy guy everywhere.

If you’re going to be a happy, you’d be a happy person everywhere. It’s kind of like in our society, when you’re five years old or younger, you’re really authentic. And when you’re 85 years old or older, you’re really authentic.

So from five to 85 in that window, we lose our authenticity. We think that the world wants a certain version of us. But the world doesn’t.

The world just wants us. Source just wants us, how we are and who we are. So that was the first thing I had to learn is authenticity is the most important principle for us in our progression.

And if we can’t find our authentic self, we cannot receive love or give love that is real. We can’t.

[Julie Jancius] (9:58 – 11:34)
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So you were on the other side and you’re seeing all of this. When you were in heaven on the other side, did you see angels? And I also love how you talk about when you’re over there, you didn’t just see people of one faith.

You saw people of all faiths, all backgrounds.

[Vinney Tolman] (11:34 – 12:40)
Yeah, I saw. And actually, let me rewind a little bit. So in my journey of getting to the heavenly realm, one of the most important things I had to overcome was prejudice.

I didn’t feel I had any prejudice. And when Drake told me I have to release all prejudice, I said, that’s no problem. And he responded with, well, how do you feel about prejudiced people?

And so then I went off on prejudiced people. And he goes, he’s like, oh, so you’re prejudiced then? And I said, no, that’s prejudiced people.

He’s like, no, you can’t not be prejudiced, but still hold prejudice. You can’t. You cannot not be prejudiced while holding any prejudice.

And that was like a mind opener for me, a complete expansion moment. I did realize I had some work to do because I was holding prejudice towards prejudiced people. And he helped me through that.

He helped me release that. He helped me embrace my highest path, which is love.

[Julie Jancius] (12:40 – 12:44)
Was there something that he said that helped you release it? Or was it?

[Vinney Tolman] (12:44 – 12:49)
Yeah, he taught me. He taught me the principle of the pointed finger. Have you ever heard of that?

[Julie Jancius] (12:49 – 12:49)
No.

[Vinney Tolman] (12:50 – 13:02)
So I can sit there and say, so and so is prejudiced, right? But I’m giving equal blame to source. And I’m giving three times the blame back to myself.

[Julie Jancius] (13:02 – 13:06)
When you’re pointing your finger, you’re going up.

[Vinney Tolman] (13:06 – 13:11)
Yeah. So when we’re pointing our finger, we’re giving equal blame to source or to heaven.

[Julie Jancius] (13:12 – 13:12)
Yeah.

[Vinney Tolman] (13:12 – 13:15)
And then we’re giving three times as much blame back to ourselves.

[Julie Jancius] (13:15 – 13:16)
Yeah, I see it.

[Vinney Tolman] (13:17 – 13:24)
And so it’s important for us to understand there’s no way to find fault in others and not have it find fault in us.

[Julie Jancius] (13:24 – 13:24)
Yeah.

[Vinney Tolman] (13:25 – 13:55)
Now, I’ve lived this now, so that when I’m going about my life, and I see something that triggers me, I know that’s a me thing, not a them thing. That something in them bothers me because it’s in me. So if you can live your life around the best of people and the worst of people, and nothing is triggering you, nothing is bothering you, you are embracing the highest life force, which is love.

That was a big one for me. It was a big one.

[Julie Jancius] (13:55 – 14:04)
I think a lot of us are still going to work on that for a while, but I love it. I can feel it energetically opening us to that concept and world love right now. Yeah.

[Vinney Tolman] (14:04 – 16:09)
What’s really neat too is in all of that. One of the last things I had to accept to get into heaven is that there was purpose even in evil. And I was like, no, Drake, I’m not going to accept that.

I don’t like evil. I think evil is horrible. It’s bad.

And it is. But he said, but Vinny, if you take away evil, what choices are there? How can we choose good if evil is not also a choice?

So to remove evil is to remove the opportunity to make the choice. And Drake showed me, he goes, if that’s what we wanted, we wouldn’t have left heaven. Because in heaven, we didn’t need choice.

We were all choosing the good and the best things possible. We all voted so that we could come here and make choices though. And part of those choices mean the bad choice.

But if God was some type of enforcer to eradicate every bad person every time they made a bad choice, we would just be in heaven. Because in heaven, our source, our creator in heaven didn’t need to enforce anything. We were in such synchronization of love with our one source creator that we didn’t need any enforcement of anything.

We love our creator. Our creator loves us. And we’re in unity with that.

So for us to separate, to come down here and have our own choices, the same way as if you have a child and you take care of everything for them and you never make them make decisions, they’re never going to grow up. They have to leave. They have to separate and make choices for them to grow up.

It’s the same with our soul. That was hard for me until I saw it this way. And as soon as I saw it that way, that evil is a purpose.

It has a purpose. It doesn’t mean I need to ever embrace it, but I can embrace the fact that it needs to be an option so that we can make a choice.

[Julie Jancius] (16:09 – 16:17)
It needs to be an option so that we can make a choice. It needs to be an option so that we can have a choice.

[Vinney Tolman] (16:17 – 16:40)
So we can have a choice because remove it as an option. I’ve heard many people say, how would a good God, a loving God allow this, this and this to happen? And I would say, how could a loving God not give us a choice?

That’s when I got to the last principle. He worked me through quite a few principles, but the last one.

[Julie Jancius] (16:40 – 16:41)
There’s more?

[Vinney Tolman] (16:41 – 16:45)
Oh, yeah. There’s seven more, but we won’t go there.

[Julie Jancius] (16:45 – 16:56)
No, I love it. Yeah, because you said 11-11. You like 11-11 because it’s God number and 11 is the highest level where God is, right?

[Vinney Tolman] (16:56 – 17:43)
So here’s what’s really neat about the 11-11. So we live in the third slash fourth dimension on earth. From my perspective, a lot of us on earth right now are crossing into the fifth dimension, possibly sixth dimension, depending on where our progress is.

Where our creator starts is at the 11th dimension. So if you go 11 dimensions above our third slash fourth, so that’s going to be the 14th slash 15th dimension. That’s where our creator is.

And when I say creator, I’m not saying some white bearded man sitting on a cloud. I mean, our abwum. So one of the oldest words for God is abwum.

And that means cosmic birther of life.

[Julie Jancius] (17:43 – 17:46)
How do you spell that?

[Vinney Tolman] (17:46 – 19:11)
It’s Aramaic, but in English, I would spell it A-B as in boy, W-O-O-N or A-B-W-U-N, maybe. But abwum, it means cosmic birther of existence, cosmic birther of life. Now, I can’t manipulate that into being heavenly father or heavenly mother.

To me, it’s both. And what’s neat too the other old word for God is Yahweh. Yah is knowingly the inhale.

Weh is the exhale. Yah is the feminine. Weh is the masculine.

And what’s also really neat is, you know, in the Bible and many holy scriptures, there’s talk of Israel. And Israel is Isis, Ra, Elohim. So feminine, masculine, unified in God.

That’s the Israel. It’s not a people. It’s all people.

As we find unity in each other, and we unify in source, loving and honoring the feminine, loving and honoring the masculine, in total unity, that is the Israel. That is the Israel.

[Julie Jancius] (19:11 – 19:14)
Take us back to these dimensions. Okay.

[Vinney Tolman] (19:14 – 20:33)
So yeah, I was crossing into the 11th dimension above us, which if you add our third dimension onto that, that’s the 14th dimension slash 15th, okay? So I was crossing into that space. Is it here?

Yes. But is it there? Yes, it’s both.

So we can access it here, but we have to climb through space to get there. The best way I can describe it is a bunch of records, you know, those ancient things that they used to play music on? A bunch of those circle records, those vinyl records, you stack them all up.

You can be in the same place, but also be far away from the same place, right? And the heavenly dimension is up there at the top, where we are. We’re the third record from the bottom.

We have to climb through a lot of records, a lot of dimensions to get there. Each dimension has energy. Each dimension has consciousness.

Each dimension has progress and perfection. So I was climbing through all that because of Drake. Drake was showing me how to get through it.

He was creating the hole so I could go through. Well, I get to this place. It looks like a gargantuan planet.

[Julie Jancius] (20:34 – 20:36)
Yeah. You said like a million Earths.

[Vinney Tolman] (20:36 – 20:41)
Yes. It looks like the size of a million Earths, but there’s no external sun.

[Julie Jancius] (20:42 – 20:44)
Yeah. It’s radiating from the inside, you said.

[Vinney Tolman] (20:44 – 26:52)
It is. Yeah. So the planet itself is light.

And as we got closer and closer, I started distinguishing that in that light, there was trees and plants and people and buildings and lakes and mountains and rivers. It’s like everything there emitted tremendous light. Everything there did.

The first thing I interacted with was the grass. And my feet came down and touched the grass. And as it did, the grass like hugged my feet.

And I felt for the first time ever, I felt home. I felt home. I felt that my soul was made to be right there to be with that grass, to be embracing it, loving it, feeling it.

I could feel that every single blade of grass was in a separate consciousness. But I also could feel that source was there in a collective way. If you could plug into all the grass at once, I could feel that the grass absolutely loved me.

I could feel that there was music coming off of every blade of grass and that the grass had like a sheen, like an iridescent sheen, almost like little rainbows, breathing off of it. Like every few seconds, I would see a ripple. So it’s very rhythmic.

Everything there is very rhythmic. And everything there is abundantly made of liquid light. Everything there.

So I’m witnessing all this. I am like freaking out. I am so in love with this grass.

And no, I didn’t smoke anything. Like this is real. This was real for me.

I’m feeling so in love with this grass. And Drake is kind of laughing in a loving way. He’s laughing.

And he goes, if you think the grass is good, you should see the flowers. And I was like, I about exploded right there. I was like, there’s flowers, what?

And then bam, he brought my consciousness to the petals of a flower. I was actually standing on it. And I noticed everywhere I stepped, the flower would light up.

And so I was like moving around on it, like looking at the light moving around. It was liquid. And I could feel the consciousness of this flower.

It was saying, we love you. I love you. And it just kept emitting this perfect, harmonious rhythm of love.

And that’s when Drake, he pipes in, he goes, you should see the trees. And I was like, there’s trees. And so I, you know, I jumped over to where there was trees, I could see this, this divine intelligence that was ancient, I mean, zillions of years old, this intelligence of these trees, and how the trees, they were looking at me and Drake, like we were hummingbirds, like we’re, we move too fast.

And they’re very, you know, slow and methodical about their, their existence, but, but yet they were so full of wisdom. And so I’m just really processing all of this, when I feel a tap on my toe. And I look down, and there’s water there.

There, there, I, you know, unbeknownst to me, there was this little creek, this little stream, I couldn’t see it until it came and approached me. But it had left the stream and it came over to me and touched my toe. And I heard it say to me, do you want us on you?

And of course, I was, I said, Yeah, I do. And so I invited it on me. And so it slowly came up my legs, and went back down the other leg.

And then it went up my whole abdomen, it went up to my shoulders and completed itself by covering both hands. And then it completed by covering my head. But the second that it completed its connection on top of my head, it was like I heard an audible ping.

It was like a, like somebody like plinking a crystal. There was like a ping. And then I could feel the water going in and filling in all the cracks, all the damage, all the tears.

These were all energetic, they weren’t physical, they were energetic. But yet they were physical in that form. They were fixing all the little things that I needed fixed in my soul.

Most of what it was, was from trauma. A lot of it self inflicted, because I was an idiot a lot of times. And other times I was completely innocent, and I was carrying victim trauma.

But either way, it went through, and it healed me of all the trauma I ever received in this life. And I’m telling you, if the earth, if the entire world knew what this water would do, we would never even be grumpy to anyone ever again. And we would live through as many years as it took, even if they said you have to live on earth for a billion years, you’d be like, okay, no question.

If you knew that you get that, you’ll do it. There’s something so powerful in that love. And I could feel as soon as the water was done, it started to come back off my body, it went back down to the to the grass, and then went back into the stream.

But what’s what’s weird is I wasn’t wet. I wasn’t cold. I felt warm.

But yet I felt electrical and I felt alive. And that’s when I noticed a building. Now this building, that was something.

[Julie Jancius] (26:53 – 26:57)
So tell us about the building. I’m so interested in this building.

[Vinney Tolman] (26:57 – 32:36)
Okay, so the building, it was made out of one slab of crystalline marble. Like, in it, like the whole building was one piece of marble. Even though it was, it was probably, I would say, from my perspective, it was maybe about 3000 feet long.

And it was probably about 50 feet tall. This building was made out of one piece of marble. It was decorated the way that they used to decorate in Greek and Roman architecture.

But it was alive, the building was alive. So people were, they were, everyone was carrying these little crystal tablets, like almost everybody had them. And as they’re, they’re excitedly walking around talking to each other.

And, and, and that was another thing, when they would talk to each other, you could hear it no matter how far you were away. And they never moved their mouths. So they were talking directly to each other.

As they’re, they’re excitedly going in and out of this building, a person would go to a room, but there was no door, they would feel out for what, what frequency they needed to be to get in the room. And you would watch them, they would raise or lower their frequency to match the room. And then the door, an opening would just form, and they would go in, and then the wall would just liquefy, seal itself again.

And so for you to enter and exit certain rooms, you had to just match the frequency. And when I say frequency, I mean, the love energy, everything there is, is based off of love energy. So I was getting excited.

I, I’m an avid learner. I love building too. So I wanted to go explore this building.

And that’s when Drake, he came around to my side. And then he looked at me square in the eyes, put his, put his one arm on my shoulder. And he said, he said, Vinnie, this is going to be really hard, but it’s going to be worth it.

And when he said that, I could feel like some heaviness. And he felt like I was sad, because I was sad. I was already starting to like cry.

He brought me in for a hug. And this hug, there’s nothing on earth like love there, nothing. This hug, it was, it was like the cherry on the cake, it was the cherry on top of the whole experience.

He came in and brought me in for this hug. And I felt like I was going to explode, I could feel the two of us like, like oscillating. And then I heard, I heard audibly, boom, like a really loud boom.

And then I heard a second boom. And what I was learning is that in the heaven realm, when you bring two together in unified love, you you take the power of the two times eight, and that’s what they become. So we weren’t the power of two, we were the power of 16, we were the power of so much more than just the two of us.

And it was because we were unifying the love that we have in each other for the love that we have for source for our creator, and reciprocating that back and forth. So I was feeling all of this. And then in my ear, I heard my brother on earth.

He was saying a special prayer over my body. And he said, specifically, he said, I bless you to be made whole, I bless you and command you to return to your body. And what I didn’t know yet, is I had been brain dead for three days.

I had been in a coma, brain dead for three days. This was the third night that I was in the hospital. My brother was worried.

The hospital staff was telling my brother and my dad that they were going to have to send me somewhere or they were going to have to unplug me. But if they unplug me, I would die. And that got my brother thinking like he needed a miracle.

And so the greatest thing for me was also the worst thing for me. And that was that I was forced back. At the time, I felt I had to come.

For 15 years, I’ve always told it as if I had to come back, that my choice was removed. It was five years ago, almost six years ago, I was leading a meditation with a big group. And when I was in the middle of that meditation, Drake shows up, Michael shows up, and a bunch of others show up.

And they show me that if I looked high enough on my own soul, I would see that there was already a contract before I even went back to heaven, that I was supposed to go there for a short period. And then I was supposed to come back. And I was to do that to help remind all of us where we really come from, and who we really are.

[Julie Jancius] (32:36 – 32:46)
Wasn’t there something about a prayer or something that he had written or something to do with him, helping and guiding people? What was that?

[Vinney Tolman] (32:46 – 34:09)
Yeah. So in his faith, they give special prayers to some of their leaders. And so he had one of these special prayers, and it was documented.

And in that special prayer, it said, you know, Charles Drake Kazaire, you’re going to do this, this and this in your life. It was kind of like foretelling or prophesying of what he was going to do in his life. But it only had two paragraphs about his life.

It had an entire page and a quarter of what he was going to do in the afterlife. And what was neat is in the afterlife, it said one of his primary jobs would be to get people ready to go to be a transition phase for them to help them cross over from the earthly realm into the eternal realm. And that he would be a fundamental part of transitioning a lot of people.

So it’s, you know, in hindsight, it makes sense now. But when he got that prayer given to him, he’s probably thinking like, you know, what’s going on? Are they smoking something?

It doesn’t. But at the same time, he was a faith filled man. So I’m sure that he felt like, okay, I don’t understand this, but I’m sure I will.

Yeah.

[Julie Jancius] (34:10 – 34:19)
Kept getting this vision when you were talking about heaven earlier of this the best way I can relate it. I think your babies are younger, right? You’ve got younger kiddos.

[Vinney Tolman] (34:19 – 34:21)
I’ve got a, I’ve got a 15 and a four.

[Julie Jancius] (34:21 – 35:15)
Oh, 15 and four. So I’ve got a 14 year old and it’s really, really fun as she’s getting older to be like, Ooh, now we can watch this movie. Ooh, now we can, you know, like into some more of like regular life and we don’t have to just cater to kiddo life anymore.

I just got this vision when you were talking about heaven of ancestors on the other side being like, I cannot wait until so-and-so gets over here. And then they see these blades of grass and how much the water loves them and heals them and sees these rainbows. Like I can’t imagine how much joy it would bring Drake as a being on the other side and all of our guides to just be the ones who get to be there as they transition us back home.

[Vinney Tolman] (35:16 – 36:00)
Yeah. It’s really, uh, like it’s, it’s kinetic. It’s they get so excited to be a part of our journey, but here, here’s, what’s really neat are angels who are working with us every day.

That’s their energy too. They’re so excited that they get to be a part of this. And, and what we don’t realize is the, the whole universe looks at us, us in our ignorance cages.

They look at us as like so special. And we look at ourselves as like cursed or left alone or abandoned. We have no idea that the rest of the universe looks at us as like the VIPs.

[Julie Jancius] (36:01 – 36:12)
Wow. I love that. Go into, why do you think that God created angels?

What are the responsibility of angels as you see it?

[Vinney Tolman] (36:13 – 38:26)
Um, and how do you, yeah, we’ll start there. So here’s what’s interesting. If you think about, if you really love your kids and you sent them off to college, would you send them with no resources, no car, no training?

No. So angels are, are giving God the ability to be where God is. And, or let’s call it source.

It gives source the ability to be where sources far removed from us, but also alive inside of us. And it takes us choosing to look within to find source and angels themselves are the go-betweens so that source can stay where sources, but also source can have an influence here without making us all fall in love with source again. And then, then we’re losing our learning opportunity.

It’s really important that we keep our ignorance so that we have to discover source inside of us, or we discover source when we’re becoming a parent. And what’s neat is we discover source when we’re being a bad parent or a good parent, but we’re discovering source through both. Right.

Um, or, you know, for those don’t have kids, maybe when you’re being a, a parent of a puppy or a cat, you’re still discovering that energy of stewardship and love. Cause that’s what we’re learning so much about here is how to have stewardship over our relationships, stewardship over our bodies, our flesh temples, stewardship over our thoughts, because if we’re not good stewards of our thoughts, we’re going to just become the random Plinko chip of life, just bouncing around to whatever thought comes up, whatever event comes up, but we don’t have to, we can put divine intelligence into our thoughts.

We can choose to think positive things, or we can choose to think negative things with what’s, what’s interesting is we’re going to learn either way, but one of the ways it’s a lot more fun. Yeah.

[Julie Jancius] (38:26 – 38:34)
So take that and put it into like a real world experience. How do you apply that in your day?

[Vinney Tolman] (38:35 – 40:15)
So one of the great tools that I learned about is, is something called the hour of power. That tool was being used long before I had my experience, but I really learned how to use it after my experience. And that, what that is, is what you put in the first 30 minutes of your day and what you put in the last 30 minutes of your day, that’s going to frame who you are.

So first 30 minutes, last 30 minutes of each day, that, that creates the picture of who you are. So if you’re putting in that space, sports, streaming, entertainment, you put, you put, just blah, you put that in there, you become a blah kind of person. But if you put prayer, meditation, studying holy, holy writings, or studying, you know, maybe intuitive, intuitive connections, or you study higher love energy during your, your hour of power, all of a sudden you start changing the trajectory of who you are and where you’re going.

It, you cannot be a positive person can continually and not eventually get positive outcomes. You can’t, if you keep a positive outlook, you eventually get positive dividends because your thoughts are deposits. If you think negative, you get negative.

You think positive, eventually, even if you’re in a negative situation, eventually you get positive. All right.

[Julie Jancius] (40:15 – 41:18)
So I’m going to go there with you and I’m going to preface this like this. When I first had my experience with my dad, it was 2015. And my mom was still really, really religious at that time, really in the dogma of religion.

And she’s really come a long way since then. And she sent me a text yesterday and I sent her back a two Brute, a two, because I was like, no, she sent me this text that said, are aliens really angels. And I was like, I don’t see it that way.

I do think that there are aliens out there, but I don’t think that all aliens are angels. I see what you’re talking about where there is this heavenly realm. And there are just these angelic beings that their job is to keep that connection between us and God universe source.

How will you, how do you talk about this with your community?

[Vinney Tolman] (41:18 – 41:23)
Here’s what’s here’s what’s cool. You’re right. But so is your mom.

[Julie Jancius] (41:23 – 41:23)
Okay.

[Vinney Tolman] (41:24 – 42:45)
And here’s how, okay. What is an angel? I mean, just even the word angel, it means go between or messenger.

That’s what it means in, in all the languages that first started describing angels, they’re described as go betweens and, and messengers or communicators. Okay. So that’s what I call an angel.

Where do they come? They come from a higher dimension, which is source. They come to our lower dimension to deliver and minister and to help and assist.

Okay. What are aliens? Same, same beings, beings that come from a higher place.

They come to earth, but here’s the difference. I think that, you know, in my own opinion, this is not no science or anything, but in my own opinion, is there good people and bad people? Absolutely.

But inside the bad people, is there good? Absolutely. Inside the good, is there bad?

Absolutely. So all of us have the duality of yin and yang, all of us, including aliens, including angels. If you go and, if you go study your angelic histories, you find out about the first 200 angels, they are the fallen angels.

[Julie Jancius] (42:46 – 42:47)
Yeah. I know that.

[Vinney Tolman] (42:47 – 43:42)
But my question is, would life have happened on earth if we didn’t have first our 200 fallen angels? That’s a conundrum. So let’s just say hypothetically, if those first 200 angels wouldn’t have fallen and come to earth, would God have felt safe sending his, or sources, I don’t, I refer to God as a he, but it’s not, it’s, it’s bigger than a he.

Okay. Way bigger. So would God have felt comfortable sending sources, loving souls to earth if there wasn’t some type of protection, some type of anchoring in this realm.

So the first anchor, you know, anchor, like, like an anchor on a ship.

[Julie Jancius] (43:42 – 43:42)
Yeah.

[Vinney Tolman] (43:42 – 43:49)
The first anchor from heaven was the 200 angels. So, and at first they were good. At first they were good.

[Julie Jancius] (43:50 – 43:58)
Yeah. Well, linguistically, you know, you’re talking about kind of this ladder of going up to 11, 12, 14.

[Vinney Tolman] (43:58 – 44:00)
Kind of like Jacob’s ladder.

[Julie Jancius] (44:00 – 44:01)
Yeah. Yeah.

[Vinney Tolman] (44:01 – 44:02)
Yeah.

[Julie Jancius] (44:02 – 44:08)
I mean, fallen, can fallen just mean to come down lower in dimension.

[Vinney Tolman] (44:08 – 44:24)
But, but let me ask you this too. If we’re growing because we’re falling on the ladder only to find out that the top of the ladder is inside of us and we can climb it within and we can find our heaven up here.

[Julie Jancius] (44:24 – 44:25)
Yeah.

[Vinney Tolman] (44:25 – 44:41)
In our temples, in the holiest of holies. If that’s, that’s where the fall is happening is it’s in here that we fall and climb. Yeah.

Then, then if, if our creator created the ladder, is there a bad part of the ladder?

[Julie Jancius] (44:43 – 44:43)
No.

[Vinney Tolman] (44:43 – 44:46)
No, there’s a functional part of the ladder that we call bad.

[Julie Jancius] (44:47 – 44:47)
Yeah.

[Vinney Tolman] (44:47 – 44:52)
But bad is just a description to another side of God, our creator.

[Julie Jancius] (44:53 – 44:53)
Yeah.

[Vinney Tolman] (44:55 – 45:00)
Now this is, this is heavy, especially for my religious folks. Okay.

[Julie Jancius] (45:00 – 45:00)
Yeah.

[Vinney Tolman] (45:01 – 45:07)
I’m, I, I do not advocate worshiping the bottom of the ladder. I do not.

[Julie Jancius] (45:07 – 45:07)
Yeah.

[Vinney Tolman] (45:08 – 45:45)
Because we have source. Right. Why, why choose something so removed from source that it shows up as evil and, you know, lust and, and, and, you know, all the negative, the, the seven deadly sins.

Like why would I, why would I choose to worship something so low when I, I can find God here and connect through my Jacob’s ladder all the way up to source. But at the same right, when I work with angels, they don’t look at the fallen angels as bad. They just look at them as volunteers.

[Julie Jancius] (45:45 – 45:46)
Yeah.

[Vinney Tolman] (45:47 – 45:49)
They do playing their role, playing their part.

[Julie Jancius] (45:51 – 45:51)
Yeah.

[Vinney Tolman] (45:51 – 45:56)
It’s just like where we started today. The villain in my life was a volunteer.

[Julie Jancius] (45:57 – 46:15)
Yeah. Oh my gosh. Vinny, I could talk to you for forever.

If you ever want to come back back, please, please come back. Um, we are going to be thinking about this anytime for a long time. Um, tell everybody where they can find you, your website, your book.

[Vinney Tolman] (46:16 – 46:56)
So, um, you can find pretty much everything you need with me at livinggodslight.org. It’s a nonprofit that I’ve, I’ve got with Lynn, my coauthor. We’ve got a book called the light after death that that’s a detailed experience, um, or, or a detail of my experience.

We also have a book called, um, living the light, which is a followup workbook about the first book. It helps people work through those 10 principles and kind of embody them in their own life. And we do have both of those in Spanish now.

Um, currently you do have to go through Amazon, but eventually we’ll get it on our own website as well. Yeah.

[Julie Jancius] (46:57 – 47:13)
Beautiful. Vinny, thank you so much for being you and an earth angel here. And I’m just so glad that we got to share this experience.

I was in this high vibrational frequency of love the entire time that you, I love, I love that, that you’re doing this.

[Vinney Tolman] (47:13 – 48:26)
It’s so important that people find spaces to openly and freely discuss things because the more you can discuss things, the more you can find where you’re resonating with something and, and where you resonate, you find out who you really are. Um, I do want to plug real quick if possible, where there’s a convention I part of in Dallas in February. So first week in February, um, called the truth tellers convention, there’s going to be, um, five or six of us, uh, near death experiences that are on the bigger side of names.

And, and we’re all going to get together and talk about our experiences together. And then, um, in May, the first weekend in May, I have ignite the light, which is my own conference, which it’s an annual conference. And then next, uh, next year at the end of August, first weekend in September, uh, it’s the ions conference.

It’s in Seattle. Come, come join us. If you’ve never been to one, make sure you go to one before you die, because it is, it’s almost like a, they might as well call it a heaven convention because it’s, it’s like going there and seeing what heaven’s going to be like.

[Julie Jancius] (48:27 – 48:46)
It’s so true. It really is. You know, um, and I’m going to sound judgmental here, but sometimes you go to other spiritual conventions and it does not have the same vibe.

Um, but the ions one, just, it is like walking into a space of heaven.

[Vinney Tolman] (48:47 – 49:09)
And you know, um, you can go for one day or you can go for four days. It’s your choice. But if, if I were you before you die, go do four days at the ions conference, sit down at every session you can, there’s tons of them.

And, uh, you know, you will be uplifted. I know for a fact you’ll be uplifted and you’ll find a bunch of friends. You didn’t know you needed.

[Julie Jancius] (49:09 – 49:14)
Oh, I think that’s so true. Vinny, thank you so much for being here and being you.

[Vinney Tolman] (49:15 – 49:18)
Yeah. Thank you, Julie. Thanks for having me.

It’s been an absolute pleasure.

[Julie Jancius] (49:19 – 52:59)
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Why? Because this is the best way to manifest. So let’s begin.

God, universe source. Thank you. We’re so grateful that you’ve blessed this world with calm and peace for all this calm and peace has spread like ripples, soothing the hearts of every soul.

Thank you for opening our hearts to abundance, allowing each of us to live our most authentic life and helping us to create our own heaven on earth. We thank you for the love and deep heart to heart connection that surrounds us every day in our relationships. We thank you for the abundance of health and aliveness we feel radiating from every cell in our and our families bodies.

Thank you for the gift of walking this life with us and guiding us every step of the way through your messages. We hear you through our own intuition and we feel you walking right by our sides and we overflow with gratitude. Thank you for financial abundance and abundance of opportunities and miracles and blessings and prosperity in every way.

We know that you want us to succeed so that we can show others how you want them to succeed too. Thank you for the boundless love, kindness, empathy, and compassion that binds us all together. Thank you for the laughter, fun, moments of pure delight that fill us every day, especially today.

God, universe source, thank you for blessing us beyond measure and allowing us to use our souls, gifts, talents, skills, and abilities to serve the world. We love you. I love you.

And in this we pray. Amen. Friends, we’re working on some pretty major things over here.

And if you wouldn’t mind saying a little prayer that these things come to fruition, if they’re God’s will, we’d so appreciate it. And please add a little prayer in for any specific thing you need right now to have a beautiful blessed day.