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Have you ever wondered what awaits us on the other side and how that knowledge can transform your life here and now? In this episode, I sit down with Ellen Wier, whose near-death experience as a child led to a miraculous awakening and a divine vow to heal through music. We explore the science that suggests consciousness exists beyond the brain, the difference between being a messenger and a vibration holder, and how to find joy and purpose even during life’s most challenging dark nights of the soul. Ellen’s story is a powerful testament to the love that guides us and the purpose that calls us home.

TIMESTAMPED OVERVIEW

00:00 Introduction and Invitation to Angel Reiki School
03:11 Podcast Introduction and Meeting Ellen Wier
05:15 The Spiritual Nudge to Attend a Near-Death Conference
06:39 The Story of Meeting Ellen and Their Soul Connection
10:14 Ellen’s Childhood Near-Death Experience: The Accident
11:33 The Afterlife Experience: The Raft, Jesus, and Buddha
12:30 The Golden Light Realm and Becoming Pure Love
12:55 The Choice to Return to Life and Making a Vow
14:05 Waking Up from the Coma Through Music
15:07 The Vibrational Frequency of the Afterlife
16:48 The Role of the Mind and Filter in Spiritual Connection
20:16 Scientific Research on Brain Activity During Near-Death Experiences
22:45 Ellen’s Current Challenge: Her Husband’s Brain Injury
31:31 The Difference Between Vibration Holders and Messengers
38:49 Manifesting the Award-Winning Documentary
39:49 A Message from Jesus: “You Came Back for the Joy”
42:21 Navigating a Dark Night of the Soul with Faith
44:25 Top Takeaways from Naropa University and Jack Canfield
47:15 The Power of Words and Creating a Sacred Environment
50:21 How to Find Ellen Wier and Her Work
51:00 Closing Prayers and Final Thoughts

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TRANSCRIPT:

[00:00:00] Julie Jancius: Friends, before we dive in, I wanna extend an invitation into something sacred that could be part of your unfolding. I’m hosting three Angel Reiki schools upcoming in person, September 19th, November 7th, January 23rd. Those are all the dates when they start. When you join, [00:00:21] you don’t just receive one certification, you’re initiated into three.

[00:00:26] Julie Jancius: In the Angel Reiki school, mediumship. Energy healing and becoming an angel messenger yourself. This is a one-stop sanctuary where all of your spiritual gifts are activated and grown together. Your unique gifts. [00:00:42] People are called to this program for so many reasons. Some are searching for a second career that is deeply fulfilling, one where they can witness lives transformed through the creatives.

[00:00:54] Julie Jancius: Soul led work that they’re putting out into the world, one that starts with the Angel Reiki school. Others feel the longing to [00:01:03] create an income that supports the life they’ve always dreamed of. More time freedom, the ability to take family vacations, to be there walking their children to school, and be there when they get home from school to make the memories that matter most in this life.

[00:01:20] Julie Jancius: I often remind my students to say out loud, I am a high. [00:01:24] Six figure angel medium. Time and time again, they come back to share how claiming that vision and going through the Angel Reiki school has opened new doors to financial abundance, radiant joy, and the freedom to live life on their terms. Yes, it does take devotion to [00:01:45] build your own business, but the Angel Reiki school is where you begin.

[00:01:50] Julie Jancius: You might not yet understand why your soul is being pulled here, but once you step in, I promise you’ll feel it. The remembering, the recognition, the sense of coming home and because the Angel Reiki School weekends are so [00:02:06] intimate, so wonderful, uh, alumni love coming back, uh, that you don’t have to, but they love the energy so incredibly much they asked to come back.

[00:02:15] Julie Jancius: So we did include an alumni, uh, option where you can. But because the Angel Reiki school weekends are so intimate, half of our in-person [00:02:27] dates sell out. So if you feel that stirring in your heart, trust it. Save your space. Now I keep our, our groups small on purpose so that I get to know. Every single one of you.

[00:02:39] Julie Jancius: Well, and join us for one of the upcoming Angel Reiki School Weekends. Remember, that’s in September, November or [00:02:48] January. All of them start on a Friday evening at 6:00 PM and all of them end by Sunday, somewhere in between 12 to two. You can register@theangelmedium.com. Slash get certified. Step into the Angel Reiki school today and begin to embody your spiritual gifts to the [00:03:09] fullest expression.

[00:03:11] Julie Jancius: Everyone who joins the Angel Reiki school gets access to both the online and in-person school. Join today, the angel medium.com. Now here’s today’s episode. Hello, beautiful souls. Welcome back to the Angels and Awakening Podcast. I’m your host [00:03:30] and author, Julie Janis and friends. Today we’re here with Ellen Ware, if you’ve ever seen her on the Kane’s Award-winning documentary Beyond the Grave from 2023, she’s got the book, waking Up in Heaven, living With Purpose Through Afterlife Wisdom.

[00:03:50] Julie Jancius: Ellen and I [00:03:51] met. At a conference recently and it was the wildest thing. So I’m just gonna tell this story because here I am and actually, um. I wasn’t planning on going. So here’s the the deal. My hotel that I normally have all of my events at probably five to [00:04:12] seven a year, I always work with the same person who books and coordinates all of the events.

[00:04:18] Julie Jancius: And when you do events like this, they send you a contract, you have to sign the contract, send it. Back and they become like your friend, right? Because they’re like, Ooh, you know, what is this spirit? You know, maybe I wanna do this spiritual women’s retreat. And she [00:04:33] calls me up one day and she goes, Julie, do you know that this is happening at our like hotel?

[00:04:39] Julie Jancius: Um, it’s this near death conference. It’s this international thing. And I was like, oh, you know, do they hold it there every year? And she’s like. No, like it’s just here this year. And I was like, oh, okay. You know, I’ll look into it and [00:04:54] then I get a call from a friend, Dr. Amy Robbins, who also has like a big podcast.

[00:04:58] Julie Jancius: She lives in Chicago and we get lunch, you know, like maybe once a quarter. We talk once a month and she calls and she’s like. I think we’re supposed to go to this, and they’re like, okay, spirit, you know, I’ll be there. And the dilemma within myself was, I was sitting there [00:05:15] thinking to myself, oh, you know, I, I need to spend time researching the books that are coming out this fall, who I wanna have on the podcast.

[00:05:23] Julie Jancius: It’s gonna take, you know, a good week to kind of search through who we really wanna have on, for what intention and spirits like just. Go to this near death [00:05:36] conference. So I go and I’m blown away. Because it is all of the people that I need to have on the podcast. These aren’t just people who have had near death experiences.

[00:05:47] Julie Jancius: It’s the scientists and the researchers at world renowned universities that are studying this and have been [00:05:57] studying this for 50 years. Okay, so fast forward to how I meet Ellen. I am in this one breakout session where you’re gonna see the woman, the researcher behind, um, the telepathy tapes. Diane Powell hen Hennessy Powell, [00:06:18] and she’s gonna come on the show too.

[00:06:19] Julie Jancius: We’ve already got her booked and everything. I’m just waiting, you know, everybody’s kind of really eager for this breakout, and I go and I find my space right up front. I’m an upfront person, like if you’re gonna be in a classroom, I really wanna be upfront, I wanna be listening, I wanna be center, I wanna be engaged.

[00:06:38] Julie Jancius: So I’m [00:06:39] upfront and. There’s just something that happens with souls energies, where spirit will be like, go talk to that person, and it doesn’t happen all the time. So you know, when it does happen, you’re like, okay, need to listen to this. So Ned was right in front of me and he had this hat [00:07:00] on and spirit’s like talk to him because Ned was kinda looking around.

[00:07:03] Julie Jancius: He’s looking this way, he is looking this way. He’s just kind of fidgety and spirit’s like, talk to him, talk to him. So I start talking to him and then this other woman comes over and she sits down and then we all start having this conversation and I’m not. I, I’m not good at like, kind of [00:07:21] initiating get togethers.

[00:07:22] Julie Jancius: I don’t feel that I am, it’s hard for me, but I moved around a lot and so I have that tool from back in the day and spirit goes, just ask them if they wanna go and grab dinner that night. I did, Amy had left. I, I didn’t have anybody have dinner with. And so, um, I was like, would you guys wanna go get dinner?

[00:07:41] Julie Jancius: [00:07:42] You know, in between the breakouts? And they’re like, yeah, that. So fun and Ned’s like, can I invite my friends? I’m like, absolutely. The more the merrier. I am a more the merrier person. Whenever I do have get togethers, I put that on all the invites. The more the merrier. You guys were all texting back and forth and they’re like, let’s meet at this time in the [00:08:03] lobby.

[00:08:04] Julie Jancius: And I’m like, okay, well that, you know, I was ready, but then you guys weren’t. And so I was like, I’ll go over to the bookstore. I wanted to get a signature from Raymond Moody and then I. I’ll come back and meet you guys. Yeah. So I did that. And for people who don’t know Ellen, tell them who Raymond Moody is.

[00:08:21] Ellen Wier: Oh, he’s like the, the grandfather of all [00:08:24] the research and into near death experiences. Just in a magical scientist and researcher. Yes.

[00:08:29] Julie Jancius: Yeah. So we go, I meet you guys in the lobby. And then we get into these two cars and the cars kinda pass each other at one point. Rolled down and you’re dancing in the back and I’m dancing in the front of this other car and we’re [00:08:45] like, oh yeah, this is my soul sister.

[00:08:50] Julie Jancius: I.

[00:08:51] Ellen Wier: Oh my gosh. We just had a blast the entire weekend. We did. I just showed up actually to that group. I wasn’t one on the text thread. Did you know that? I, they, no. They planned to go and then, yeah, and then I just last minute [00:09:06] got invited. They said, Hey, do you wanna join? I said, yes. So I just literally, five minutes before I met you, I was invited to that dinner.

[00:09:14] Julie Jancius: Oh my gosh. And it was such a great group. It was like everybody with the biggest. Stories. Yes. And like biggest YouTube channels and groups and podcasts, and it was like [00:09:27] heaven to be around this table of eight or nine souls. Yes. That are just so connected. And

[00:09:35] Ellen Wier: the conversations were amazing. It was like we’re talking about, you know, stepping into a higher frequency life together.

[00:09:43] Ellen Wier: We’re talking about mystical, magical experiences that happen to each of us. [00:09:48] Yeah, it was fantastic and there were people giving kind of blessings and readings and angel messages. It was great.

[00:09:55] Julie Jancius: So you have one of the most powerful stories, waking Up in Heaven is your book that everybody should, should get and should read.

[00:10:06] Julie Jancius: I wonder if you could walk people through [00:10:09] your experience of what happened and what you saw on the other side.

[00:10:14] Ellen Wier: Well, I was 12-year-old. A 12-year-old girl, I love to ride horses, and I was taking my first Western lesson after riding English for a while, and the cinch slipped during the lesson. So the saddle slipped and I fell off the horse, and the horse got [00:10:30] spooked and kicked me in the temple.

[00:10:31] Ellen Wier: So as a 12-year-old kid, I was. Like taken to the local hospital in Texas and then sent to a bigger hospital in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. And my parents were told to, you know, on the fifth, fourth or fifth day, the doctor said, there’s really not much we can do. She’s pretty deeply in the coma. Why don’t you try playing some [00:10:51] movies, her favorite movies at the bedside?

[00:10:52] Ellen Wier: Maybe you’ll get through, maybe something will happen. Talk to her. You know? So during the time of the ICU when my parents were there, I imagine they were talking to me, but whenever they couldn’t be there. They put on movies, like home movies and stuff like that. And on this particular day, they picked a Disney movie that was like 90% classical [00:11:12] music.

[00:11:12] Ellen Wier: And that plays into the story because music is what woke me up. So what I experienced was I was kind of on a raft. It was a little bit like this, it, I would call it a raft. It’s like a wooden. Uh, structure wooden platform. It felt like it had like these giant logs, not just this size. It was like giant. [00:11:33] Um, and Jesus was in front of me and there was a, a man to my left that was.

[00:11:39] Ellen Wier: Bald and had long brown robes and bare feet, and I felt very, very safe. I was taken from that place into a light realm where there were like different colored trees and there was music and it was very bright and it was white and just, just absolute [00:11:54] magic. I don’t know how long I was in that realm, but then I was taken into the golden light realm, which is.

[00:11:59] Ellen Wier: To me, like the heart of this experience, I, uh, had no body. There was no one way to get there. There was, it was all love. There was no judgment, complete, total connection to source. I, um, felt this fullness around me like this. [00:12:15] Weighted kind of blanket energy. And then I just became the love. I became this golden light, and it was so beautiful and peaceful and whole and loving and absolute like fullness of love.

[00:12:30] Ellen Wier: And I could have been there for lifetimes, honestly. It felt like that’s where I belonged. [00:12:36] And, um. It felt like this was the illusion, you know? But I was taken back to the, the raft, I guess you could call it. And Jesus, uh, communicated through his thoughts, and I was given the choice to either live or stay in heaven, and I wanted to stay.

[00:12:55] Ellen Wier: At first I [00:12:57] did. I like, I felt so whole, but I was shown like the life of my father. If I were to stay and everything was okay, there was no one answer. I it, I try to explain this like I wasn’t compelled to do something or convinced or anything. It was, there was no right or wrong. I could have chosen either way, and I was told [00:13:18] it would be okay, but I was shown that he wouldn’t live up to his like path.

[00:13:22] Ellen Wier: So my soul chose, my soul just made a choice in that moment that I would live. And that’s when I was given gratitude like. Like so much gratitude to get to come back here. And I knew that living was a gift and that not everybody gets to do it. And we [00:13:39] are here for a reason, and everything that we come to do is like purposeful and meaningful.

[00:13:43] Ellen Wier: It’s a, this is ours. Our place for expansion. And so I made a vow in that moment that I would come back and I would heal people with music. And I said that I would give gratitude every day for every experience in my life because I [00:14:00] knew it’s an opportunity to get closer to that God energy. And that’s when it went dark.

[00:14:05] Ellen Wier: And I, um, I saw like music notes in the darkness on a staff, but I couldn’t hear anything and I just watched the music notes. And then they went through me. It’s like the staff just went through me and I heard this little tiny [00:14:21] pinprick of sound. There’s a barely audible, like you could really barely hear it.

[00:14:24] Ellen Wier: And then I focus everything in my being on that sound. Every single ounce of my energy went into that. And I pulled it closer, I think. I think now I was pulling myself into my body through music, but it was the music of the movie. And so I connected to the music, uh, [00:14:42] until it became really, really loud in my head.

[00:14:44] Ellen Wier: And then I opened my eyes and there I was. And, and I felt SOPed in and out of consciousness, and the rest of my life has been dedicated to fulfilling the valve that I made in the coma. And that’s, that’s how I woke up. And it was beautiful and wonderful, and I’m grateful to be here because the work I do takes people to that [00:15:03] place too.

[00:15:03] Ellen Wier: And that’s, I think, what I’m really here to do. Yeah.

[00:15:07] Julie Jancius: Talk about that purpose, you know, and what is that purpose? You know, I think that there’s a billion ways to describe it, but I often tell people, like when I’m doing a reading, you know, you could say the words. Marriage or [00:15:24] birth or divorce and know what they mean.

[00:15:27] Julie Jancius: But you can also read vibrations. So the more that you’ve been through, you know, the vibration of it without hearing the word that defines it. And I’m interested in that vibrational frequency that you were. In on the [00:15:45] other side. I think that sometimes when we return to that frequency, it’s encoded in a way with a lot of information.

[00:15:56] Julie Jancius: You know, sometimes you could wake up from a dream that you have where you’re almost on the other side and you got some information. But if you go back to the dream, you’re going back to [00:16:06] the vibration of it, and you’re able to extract more information.

[00:16:10] Ellen Wier: Yeah. In fact, I, I take myself back there every time I do this work, and anytime that I remember it and I recount the story, I’m in it again.

[00:16:19] Ellen Wier: And so it’s just, uh, there’s a fullness, there’s um, a warmth. You know, [00:16:27] it’s more of an experience than it is a place. And there’s a no needing to know anything, but knowing everything at once, if that makes sense. So all the human stuff that we get sidetracked with our thoughts that honestly can spiral, can take us into story, can create pattern.

[00:16:47] Ellen Wier: [00:16:48] These are gone. Like we don’t have to be in that. And that’s part of, I think our journey here is to move through these thought process, to understand the patterns and to, and to use the mind as. A tool and a conduit for higher knowing without getting wrapped into the everyday patterns and stories that we tell ourselves.

[00:17:08] Ellen Wier: Like [00:17:09] don’t believe what you think kind of thing, but. The frequency and feeling of that, of that experience is everything to me. And the part about purpose that you ask, you know, I’m very, very grateful to have been able to identify and my soul spoke my purpose, and I am grateful for that because [00:17:30] now that’s my barometer for everything that I do.

[00:17:32] Ellen Wier: Like does it feel like the energy of the other side. Does it hold that same frequency? I’m gonna add it to my practice, and that’s a lot about what my book is about, is how these different modalities came into my practice. I use crystal singing bowls, I use toning, I use, um, visualization, uh, [00:17:51] classical music journeys, uh, methods that I learned in grad school for, for psychology.

[00:17:56] Ellen Wier: I’ll use all of these because they’re in alignment with that feeling. And, and I know if I feel the same frequency, then I use it in my work. And it’s the same for messages when they come through. If it comes through with a certain energy and [00:18:12] frequency, I’m like, okay, that’s a message that needs to be shared.

[00:18:17] Julie Jancius: Yeah, a hundred percent. There’s a couple of questions that I have. So when you were on the other side and you were kind of first greeted, Jesus was on one side and then there was a gentleman on the other side. Was that gentleman your guide, and did you get to [00:18:33] have some time with him? And how did he direct you?

[00:18:37] Ellen Wier: Jesus was in front of me in very simple robes. Right. And um. This man was to my left and I didn’t know who he was at the time. I felt very safe and protected, but I found out later in life who he was and I believe he was Buddha. Um, and [00:18:54] that, you know, it was beautiful because I believe that that became my.

[00:18:59] Ellen Wier: My training on how to get people into presence. Um, so he became a major part of my, you know, education later in life. And when I went to grad school for music therapy and psychology, I got a dual master’s in transpersonal psychology. I went to a [00:19:15] school that had originally been founded as a Buddhist school, and even though it was fully accredited and everything, they still had the practice of meditating.

[00:19:23] Ellen Wier: And so when I went to school, I was walking up to my meditation class one of the first weeks, and I saw a depiction of him. You know, he is bald and thinner than what I knew Buddha to be, so I didn’t recognize that. And, and long brown [00:19:36] robes and bare feet. And so. I learned meditation, how to steal the mind, how to release negative thoughts.

[00:19:42] Ellen Wier: Uh, that’s I, it is crucial for us like to release negative thoughts so that we don’t stay stuck in the loop of our mind because the filter of the mind, and they talked about this at the International [00:19:57] Association for Near Death studies, one of the major researchers. Got up and talked about how there’s little brainwave activity when they’ve actually studied, um, near-death experiences.

[00:20:08] Ellen Wier: They don’t see a lot of brainwave activity, so they, they’re pretty. This is pretty good indication that it’s not happening in the mind, it’s happening outside of the mind.

[00:20:16] Julie Jancius: Let’s break that down [00:20:18] for people. ’cause I, I think that is just so powerful because it, I, to me it proves God’s existence. It proves the existence of the other side.

[00:20:29] Julie Jancius: So what Ellen? Said here is that, you know, a lot of scientists say the consciousness is within the brain, and when [00:20:39] you pass away, the brain turns off and is not active. And so you shouldn’t be able to see anything, hear anything, have any experience, but. As researchers have studied, literally I think it’s like hundreds of thousands of stories of near death [00:21:00] experiences over the last 50 years, they find, what is it that the brain is actually not active at all?

[00:21:07] Julie Jancius: The brain is not active, and yet the person is still seeing, hearing, having experiences. Yeah. Yeah,

[00:21:16] Ellen Wier: that was a cool study they referenced. They said that they were studying a group that had [00:21:21] been given like the shock treatments to the heart. Right. And they know that they have three minutes or something, or 30 seconds or some amount of time.

[00:21:28] Ellen Wier: I don’t even know, like between the shocks so they could monitor brainwave activity. So the. Researcher was monitoring brain waking activity. Well, 50% of them had like a heightened electrical activity and then the other [00:21:42] 50% didn’t. But what’s interesting is the ones that had the near death experience were the ones that did not have the heightened activity in the brain during that time.

[00:21:50] Ellen Wier: And the ones that came back to talk about it, you know, validated that. So it, it was just interesting. There is a greater consciousness that we’re exploring and we see it. In our work when we have [00:22:03] workshops because people will have never met each other and will have the same imagery come through like a little white dog with a red bow on its neck.

[00:22:09] Ellen Wier: Very, very specific imagery in this group I was working with, and these two women were like, well, this little white dog came through and the other one was like, yeah, and with a red bow on its neck. Yeah, I saw that same dog. And then a man across the circle pulled out the picture of his dog and he [00:22:24] said he had come that night because he wanted to know that the dog was.

[00:22:27] Ellen Wier: Well, that it was taken care of after passing and it was just beautiful. But this kind of thing happens all the time. We’re connecting to something greater and they say that the near death experiencers have the opportunity that that filter is removed from the mind. The mind can really hold us in patterns of.

[00:22:44] Ellen Wier: F [00:22:45] of not healing, of like fear. And if we are able to remove the filter and connect with the light more deeply, we can connect to that purpose. We can remember that we are loved. And that’s what my work really does. Like that’s where I, people go, like they, they go to the light, they receive messages, they see angels, they see, you know, [00:23:06] but yes, exactly.

[00:23:08] Ellen Wier: It’s all about the mind in a lot of ways. So that’s where Buddha came in. Like I learned how to like release negative thoughts, replace them with positive thoughts. I learned the power of thinking, right? And that’s, that’s how that guide came through for me.

[00:23:23] Julie Jancius: Beautiful, beautiful soul. I just wanna take a [00:23:27] moment and say, I am so excited to share something truly sacred with you.

[00:23:32] Julie Jancius: This October 3rd, fourth, and fifth will gather for the women’s retreat, three days of deep rejuvenation, angelic connection, and soul remembrance. If you’ve been feeling disconnected, unsure of your [00:23:48] future, or longing for something more. This retreat was created just for you. Imagine stepping away from the weight of daily life into an energetic sanctuary where you’re held, supported, and guided back to the truth of who you are.

[00:24:06] Julie Jancius: Here you’ll laugh [00:24:09] released. And reconnect with your soul’s deepest yearnings. This is your time to reconnect with your angels and awaken to the next chapter of your journey. And because I never want finances to stand in the way of a retreat, I’ve created a scholarship option just for this retreat. If your heart is [00:24:30] called this space Friends, I promise it’s a waiting just for you.

[00:24:34] Julie Jancius: Come join us@theangelmedium.com. Back slash retreat. Say yes to your soul. Say yes to your angels. Say yes to this retreat. Questions. Email me at [00:24:51] julie@theangelmedium.com and now here we go back into the show. So talk to people about you met this wonderful just soulmate of yours. You guys got married. And, you know, you guys are experiencing some health challenges, which I think you and I just connected on so deeply [00:25:12] because of everything that I’ve been going through this year.

[00:25:15] Julie Jancius: Talk a little bit about that.

[00:25:17] Ellen Wier: Uh, right. Two weeks after our sacred ceremony and. We’ve known each other for five years and been together for five years and wanted to like celebrate our love in front of our community. And we got that opportunity last October, but a couple weeks later, he had an injury on the soccer field [00:25:33] and was given some medication so that we could go on our, on our, on a little celebration cruise.

[00:25:38] Ellen Wier: Right. And he, it caused brain damage. And so he forgot who he was kind of, he, um, couldn’t really access love. He was. Uh, very angry. His kind of personality changed because of the brain injury. He had [00:25:54] tremors. He forgot who people were. It was a very confusing time for us, and my recovery through my brain injury kind of helped me prepare for this in a weird way.

[00:26:02] Ellen Wier: And also my training at Naropa, you know, when I went to school, that training was with people who had brain injuries. That was my practicum, one of my practicums. And so I knew this was part of [00:26:15] recovery, but nothing can really prepare you for living in it. And so it’s been. 10 months. He had a, a back and neck injury as well from a, a, a chiropractic adjustment that was, that went bad.

[00:26:28] Ellen Wier: And that, um, that neck injury has really changed his life too. And so he’s been dealing with a lot of [00:26:36] pain. He’s getting better slowly, but of course, you know, witnessing and walking alongside someone with that is. You’re reminded of all these lessons of like the power of the mind, the power of our thinking as we go through this, and then the choice that he continually makes to show up to.

[00:26:53] Ellen Wier: Do the work. You know, he has his down days, but then he steps back in like [00:26:57] that dedication, that perseverance that we’re building, right? This is our journey ’cause we do spiritual work together and we, we always have for others. So this is our path.

[00:27:09] Julie Jancius: What I think is really fascinating is, and I don’t know if you’ve gotten this at all, is that, so I had a vocal injury, uh, a couple years [00:27:18] ago, a vocal disorder that popped up and I remember being at the grocery store and somebody coming up, um, another healer and saying, you know, if you were really doing your work.

[00:27:28] Julie Jancius: That wouldn’t have occurred. And somebody coming in this year and saying, you know, if you could really do, you know, the energy healing to the top [00:27:39] degree, your daughter wouldn’t be going through this. And it hurt so bad. But I prayed and I prayed and I prayed and I prayed on it and the angels said something very, very specific, which is.

[00:27:52] Julie Jancius: Yeah, there are a lot of people out there, healers, who I think are simply vibration holders, right? They [00:28:00] operate in this very, very high vibrational frequency, higher than most of us, because they’re not tuned into the present day. Not to like talk negatively at all. But there were a lot of spiritual healers back in the day who weren’t around their families.

[00:28:17] Julie Jancius: Right. Like even Matthew McConaughey when he went [00:28:21] to write green lights, and I adore that man to no end. Yeah. Um, he, I think he took three months away from his family, rented a place just so that he could not have any interruptions and just get the work done and Spirit said. You know, there are so many women out there that [00:28:42] compare themselves to male vibration holders within the world, that they’re go, they go, that’s what I want.

[00:28:49] Julie Jancius: That’s what I want to be. And yet women are so frustrated because they’re not able to get to that point because we are the ones caring for everybody, doing all of the work, really [00:29:03] being present. In the day to day, living in the day to day, and spirit said there’s a very big difference between vibration holder, healers and messengers.

[00:29:15] Julie Jancius: You cannot be a messenger unless. You’re willing to go through life and to my point before what I was saying, [00:29:24] go through and have these experiences that allow you to read the vibrations and also show others the way forward. Like you wouldn’t have been able in your story of passing to show others the way forward had you

[00:29:37] Ellen Wier: not gone through it yourself.

[00:29:39] Ellen Wier: A lot of people say that, well, have you done the spiritual work on him? And it’s not. That [00:29:45] simple, right? We sometimes enter into contracts and I believe, I believe, I don’t know what he believes, but I believe that we entered into a contract to go through this together in this lifetime, and we haven’t gotten to live many lifetimes together.

[00:29:59] Ellen Wier: We’ve had maybe nine, like I think this is our ninth one that I’ve been told about, and [00:30:06] so it’s. We have a very, very sacred role and bond to do some spiritual work together. I really believe that. But like to tell people if they’d been doing their work that, that these things wouldn’t happen. It’s just, it’s a very difficult thing to hear when you’re going through things.

[00:30:23] Ellen Wier: But it’s also, it’s, it’s not true. Like I [00:30:27] love the idea of acting as if, as if I chose this. Right? What? And so. I don’t, you know, maybe, maybe Neil has a hard time. He is like, I don’t know how I could ever have chosen this. Right? But, but then when you’re in it, it doesn’t, we can’t always see it, right? We can’t always see it.

[00:30:45] Ellen Wier: But if we just even act [00:30:48] as if we chose it, then we can start to be open to whatever good things might be coming through. And so that practice, I learned that from Jack Canfield in my work with him. That, that’s something that I really wanna hold onto today. And, you know, it’s still good days and bad days for his recovery.

[00:31:06] Ellen Wier: And like we go through cycles of feeling like, oh, this is getting [00:31:09] better. And then, and then feeling like it’s never gonna end feeling hopeless. And I think a lot of people can probably relate to that, especially if you have long-term injury or deal with chronic pain. Like, these are things that, that, you know, it, we have a choice in every moment.

[00:31:25] Ellen Wier: Like, how are we gonna respond to this? And what is, what is it gonna [00:31:30] bring? Right?

[00:31:31] Julie Jancius: And I felt so much when we were just sitting and talking at dinner that night that we. Uh, share a similar energy in that I could see this complete vision of me, Neil, having this full and complete healing and you guys doing couples work and [00:31:51] working with couples in big groups and speaking on stages, and him using his story to help other people find their way through tough times as well.

[00:32:02] Julie Jancius: Um, and I think that. You know when people go, oh, well, you know, aren’t you doing your healing on him? Or, you know, aren’t you doing the [00:32:12] healing work on yourself? The healing work is actually being here and going through the experience. Yeah, and that’s not. Easy for people to do, and I think it’s one of the hardest things in life.

[00:32:26] Julie Jancius: Mm-hmm. Is to actually hold on to the presence. Yeah. As you’re going [00:32:33] through the thing itself, that is the work and you’re doing healing work along the way, but if you’re just doing healing work and bypassing what’s actually happening, like. Like you’re bypassing

[00:32:46] Ellen Wier: life. Yes. And this idea of the healer being external to ourselves is another thing.

[00:32:52] Ellen Wier: And sometimes these [00:32:54] experiences are meant to show us that we can access the healer within without going through someone else. And Neil hasn’t come to me too much for like, to ask me for healing to, to sit with the bulls yet. And I know that that’s something that’s because he’s. Connecting with his own healer through this.

[00:33:13] Ellen Wier: And like, [00:33:15] that’s what in reality, when I work with someone and they, you know, maybe their pain shifts or goes away or they have a breakthrough, they have this moment of connecting with the other side. It’s not me. It’s them. It’s them doing it. It’s just me being able to have the gift of sitting them sitting there with them and doing what I do that gives them the [00:33:36] container that they can bypass that filter in their mind and go directly to the healer that they are.

[00:33:42] Ellen Wier: Right. So it’s, it’s all about that presence coming through that God presence within us that we don’t often get to access ’cause things get in the way.

[00:33:52] Julie Jancius: I had this vision last night and we’ve got this dinner, [00:33:57] uh, table, like text thread, and it’s been like so magnificent. Yes. But somebody put through a text message about Dreams today.

[00:34:05] Julie Jancius: I think it was Stephanie and I wrote back and I was like. Oh my God. I had this dream last night about, um, kind of being in another world and [00:34:18] that we live with angels among us as if they’re our friends. Oh. But I had another piece to that where we would just sit with angels. In this other world and the way that we manifested, and I could actually see you there doing this.

[00:34:35] Julie Jancius: Like you were sitting with your angels just [00:34:39] very much like on the floor, like crossed legs, just with your hands down, but you were just in this very high vibrational oneness. And the way that you were manifesting is just by raising your vibration out. And it was like you were this miniature sun just sitting with your angels and the energy was going out [00:35:00] so far and it was just like gently tapping what it needed to tap and it would bring it through these like.

[00:35:08] Julie Jancius: Rays of sunshine back down into your energy and that’s how you would manifest. And then I woke up and I was like, oh my God. That’s how Ellen really manifests in real life. [00:35:21] You have to tell people the story of like getting the call to do the documentary. Doing the documentary, and then. Oh my God. Ellen, you manifested this and it like, didn’t it win in Canes or it was nominated in Canes?

[00:35:36] Julie Jancius: Yeah, it won.

[00:35:37] Ellen Wier: It won Best. Best in a best paranormal film at At the Ken Film [00:35:42] Festival. Okay, so tell people

[00:35:43] Julie Jancius: about

[00:35:44] Ellen Wier: this. Well, what’s interesting that you say seeing me sitting crosslegged because that’s how I sit with my bowls. And then also whenever I’m with them, and I did this this morning in my meditation group.

[00:35:55] Ellen Wier: And it’s a continual process. It’s not like you can just manifest once and then it’s done. Right. You’re continually working on [00:36:03] this skill. So I’ve been working on it for probably like seven years now. Ever since I started working with Jack Canfield as my mentor and friend. Um, I started working on how does this work, right?

[00:36:15] Ellen Wier: But at what you’re talking about with the documentary is. I got a call one day to come and do an audition. I thought it [00:36:24] was an audition for this documentary in Hollywood, and so I, you know, I put on my cute little denim dress and I went down there and I thought, oh, I’m gonna audition. And then I’d come back another day.

[00:36:32] Ellen Wier: I got there and she’s like, oh, no, no, no. We, we already chose you. It is time for hair and makeup. So I got to sit, get my hair and makeup done for two hours. And then we did like a, you know, a, like she said, I’m not gonna come out and meet you until I do [00:36:45] the interview. ’cause I don’t like to meet people before.

[00:36:47] Ellen Wier: So I’m in this hotel room that’s been turned into a studio and then she comes out to the room and she sits down, we interview. It’s really amazing. And then we go to the park. To do some B roll and b footage or whatever, and then finish the interview. And there’s a horse there, like in, in this public park, there’s a horse.

[00:37:05] Ellen Wier: [00:37:06] And, and they’re like, no, and, and there’s never a horse in this park. So it was like, so it was really cool. And, and then, um. And then I guess later, it was nominated for an award at the Hollywood Film Festival. And so I got to go the same month that my book came out last April. I got to go and uh, [00:37:27] and walk the red carpet at the Chinese Theater on Hollywood Boulevard like it was.

[00:37:31] Ellen Wier: Just the most surreal and amazing, wonderful thing. And then when I got the, I, I missed seeing myself on the big screen, but the man who did my makeup was, uh, like, um, did you see it? Did you I’m so proud of my work. It was, I just felt really good. I don’t know. And that’s my [00:37:48] work now is like staying high five.

[00:37:49] Ellen Wier: I was seeing a client a couple weeks ago and um, we were in the music journey. I was taking notes. I see things as my clients see them like right. And she said, Jesus is here. And then I mean you. I could feel it. ’cause I felt his energy come through before that. It’s very, very, very big, [00:38:09] beautiful, loving, loving energy.

[00:38:11] Ellen Wier: And so she said, Jesus is here. And then she said, he has a message for you. And that never happens in my, in my sessions, but she’s, she’s very, very spiritually connected. Been doing spiritual work for a long time and, and she said he wants you to remember why you came back. You came back for the joy. You know, you came back to be [00:38:30] in joy and gratitude.

[00:38:31] Ellen Wier: And so that was a reminder to me that no matter what’s happening, to hold that energy, that frequency, and that is the greatest training ground that we could ever be put upon. Right, because this is the, the practice field. This is it like to hold joy and gratitude [00:38:51] amidst this experience. Right? It’s been.

[00:38:54] Ellen Wier: It’s been, uh, it’s expanded my capacity for everything.

[00:38:59] Julie Jancius: As you say that the angels just whispered, and that means that in every moment there is joy to be accessed and there are good things to be grateful for. It’s [00:39:12] just a matter of us putting the lens on that, the attention,

[00:39:15] Ellen Wier: then that’s the power of presence.

[00:39:17] Ellen Wier: That’s the power of mindfulness, that’s the power of meditation. And many people think, oh, you know. Meditation is, is contrary to, you know, Christianity or other, and, and that that couldn’t be further from the truth. These are [00:39:33] all ways that we can access the higher power that’s within us, right? And however that looks to you is perfect and wonderful and beautiful and celebrate it.

[00:39:43] Ellen Wier: And to me that’s. To me, that’s it. The power of the mind and, and connecting to positivity and finding those threads of gratitude [00:39:54] even in the most difficult circumstances. That’s the practice, right?

[00:39:57] Julie Jancius: Well, um, and that was so fun to just spend the weekend with you. Yeah, of course. You and our other friends.

[00:40:04] Julie Jancius: And I remember there was one point at which I was like, I, I saw you. And I was like, oh, you know, what are you doing? And you’re like, I’m trying to find this New York [00:40:15] Times reporter. I gotta talk to her about one thing. And so we start walking. The entire top floor of this hotel is one gigantic circle, like so large.

[00:40:28] Julie Jancius: You could probably like speed walk laps around, you know? And so we start walking in one part ’cause it’s a [00:40:36] convention hotel two. So we start walking one direction and I go, no. Spirit just said it’s the other way. So we turn around and we, we start walking the other way, and they’re walking in. The person that you’re trying to find is walking into the lobby as we start to cross it.

[00:40:53] Julie Jancius: It was such, uh, an angel moment. [00:40:57]

[00:40:57] Ellen Wier: It was an angel moment because I said I really wanted to find them because they came to my session and they videotaped it and I was like, I would love a copy of that video. Right, because, and so, yeah, as you and you said, you said something like, I wanna go look for something in my car.

[00:41:12] Ellen Wier: And so we went to your car as we’re coming back, they were coming into the lobby too, and it was just, it [00:41:18] was that perfect experience of manifesting, of letting go, of expectations, just knowing it’s gonna happen. I do that with parking spots too. I know you probably do too, but we just give it up and so we can make these little practices in our lives of manifesting and recognizing we’re manifesting and seeing numbers.

[00:41:34] Ellen Wier: Repeated numbers is a sign that, hey. You’re in the zone. You can, you can put out an [00:41:39] intention right now. What do you wanna create for yourself? All for the greater good. Right? And we practice those little moments and then that helps us to build the framework in which to stay, uh, in that space, in the bigger moments of life, which we all have, right?

[00:41:53] Ellen Wier: And right now it’s almost as if everyone’s living a made for TV movie because the people who come to me are [00:42:00] just going through experiences you couldn’t make up. Like, I couldn’t make this up. Like my, really, we have, we, we get married on our honeymoon. He has a brain injury and forgets how to access love.

[00:42:10] Ellen Wier: Like, uh, becomes very confused about who he is, like who other people are. You can’t make that up. And then a few months later, he gets another injury of his neck and his back. Like this [00:42:21] is a dark night of the soul. And the dark night of the soul was everything I was trained in at Naropa and. It is still a huge practice of faith for me.

[00:42:32] Ellen Wier: So, you know, just that holding of faith during the most unexpected moments of life, that’s a huge lesson. And holding a higher [00:42:42] frequency when I do that huge water has been everything to me during this, the, the, the frequency, yeah, yeah, yeah. The

[00:42:52] Julie Jancius: water. Yeah. That’s interesting. Yeah. Spirit saying to ask you, what was the top takeaway from studying at, um, it was an N word.

[00:43:02] Julie Jancius: Narobi. Naropa. [00:43:03] Naropa. Yeah. Um, and then I also wanna ask too, ’cause they’ve said it three times, what are the top three things? If, if you’re listening and you don’t know who Jack Canfield is, he’s like the OG of OGs from back in the day. Um, and if you’ve been around since the. What

[00:43:21] Ellen Wier: the Chicken Soup for the Souls.

[00:43:23] Julie Jancius: Oh my gosh. Well, and he [00:43:24] was in the Secret too, and he was talking about like, um, he had the moment in the Secret that I think made the secret really successful, to be honest, where he talks about writing himself a check for a million dollars, which was a lot of money back in the 1990s and still is today, and actually [00:43:45] putting it on his ceiling and then looking at it.

[00:43:48] Julie Jancius: And I think that everybody watched that and was like, okay, so I’m just gonna go write myself a check and sit back and like just kinda wait for it to happen. But Jack was like, no, you gotta like take the action steps. Like you have to be following all of the breadcrumbs of life. ’cause God is gonna show [00:44:06] you what to do, but you have to take action.

[00:44:09] Julie Jancius: And so I think he goes on just. Talk about in the movie The Secret, how he attended this conference. He’s talking to this woman, she’s like, I know exactly how to get your book out. And it was Chicken Soup for the Soul. It was just like the first one.

[00:44:21] Ellen Wier: So my three takeaways with him you mean? Yeah.

[00:44:24] Julie Jancius: Yeah.

[00:44:25] Ellen Wier: So at Naropa it was [00:44:27] all about the power of the mind, all about just sitting in presence, because when you’re not thinking and you’re sitting quietly and you’re meditating, every feeling is accessible.

[00:44:39] Ellen Wier: There’s only. The presence is joy. It is contentment. It is contentment. It is not getting lost [00:44:48] in your thoughts, which can create suffering. Right? So at Naropa I learned the power of presence and how that’s so important to, to us to ascend on this journey of life. And with Jack. Oh my goodness, Jack, uh, just, I, I adore him.

[00:45:04] Ellen Wier: He’s amazing. Um, I learned about, um, [00:45:09] stepping to the next level with Jack’s. He was a mentor of mine for a long time and invited me into a couple projects, which was really exciting for me. And then I got to show him our work. We even like went and gave him a session in at his home at one point with his lovely wife, Inga.

[00:45:27] Ellen Wier: So for him, I learned confidence [00:45:30] and, and the power of language was another big one with him. I mean, I learned so much. I learned about perseverance. Through working with Jack and how he, he took his hundreds and hundreds of copies of his book to different publishers before he found the one and the power of like owning your power, like speaking your [00:45:51] power out into the world and speaking your vision.

[00:45:54] Ellen Wier: Because I think a lot of people doubt themselves and say, well, you know, they second guess, or they doubt themselves and say, I’m not ready for this. But if you lead with confidence and you see that each person is an opportunity for you to grow to that next level, I mean, he would say. I’m your friend. Like we, we talk on the [00:46:12] phone.

[00:46:12] Ellen Wier: You can call me a friend, but, but part of me would be like, oh, I can’t call Jack Canfield a friend because like we don’t see each other every day. Like, I don’t go to dinner parties. It’s not, but he is like, no, no, I’m your friend. You can tell people that you’re my friend. And then when you talk to someone else, be like, well, I was talking to my friend Jack Canfield and he said, let that open doors for you.

[00:46:30] Ellen Wier: And I was like, what a gift. Like to [00:46:33] give that to people that permission not using him in any way, but like give permission that I have confidence in you. You can take this confidence out into the world of mine. It’s like that idea of like borrowing my confidence. And I tell my clients sometimes if they don’t have the belief, this came up in one of my session in Chicago.

[00:46:52] Ellen Wier: She said her husband had just passed [00:46:54] away a year ago and she came to the conference because she wanted to believe and she wanted to see and she wanted to experience God and maybe see him, but she couldn’t in the session. And I said, you know, just, it will come. Borrow my belief in you. Borrow my belief in the other side.

[00:47:10] Ellen Wier: And let that be strong enough for both of us. So that’s kind of something I learned from him [00:47:15] too.

[00:47:15] Julie Jancius: And I just wrote down in the opposite, you know, shaming others is really robbing them of their confidence

[00:47:22] Ellen Wier: and it’s also hemorrhaging your soul, right? Carolyn May said that, that when we, we have that judgment, those rules for other people in our lives, it’s hemorrhaging our soul just as much as it is.

[00:47:35] Ellen Wier: Hurting [00:47:36] them. That’s a big piece of what I learned on the other side, that every encounter matters. Everything positive, like kindness toward other humans, even if you don’t know them, like acknowledgement. That is huge. Like to be kind in every experience.

[00:47:53] Julie Jancius: One of the biggest things that I took away from that conference too [00:47:57] is there was a breakout on suicidal thoughts, and the audience knows that I’ve struggled with that off and on throughout my life, and I felt really encouraged to kind of get up and share what has worked for me over the years.

[00:48:11] Julie Jancius: And I had about 10 people come up after that breakout and say, oh my God, you know, [00:48:18] I never thought about it that way, or like, that’s exactly what I needed to hear. Yet. One of the things that the speaker said that I took away, and I thought it was one of the most powerful things, and it just hasn’t left me in the couple weeks since, is that you have to take ownership over all of your words and those words that you [00:48:39] speak, and those.

[00:48:40] Julie Jancius: That you think, yeah, you might not be able to control all that flows into your mind, but once it’s there, you can control the rumination on it. You can control what flows out of your mouth. And so I’ve really been praying with my angels on this and what they said is. [00:49:00] It’s okay to have that person, like your therapist, your partner, where you kind of just open up to, in order to keep current, to keep on the same page about all of your fears, your doubts, your worries, your anxieties and everything.

[00:49:14] Julie Jancius: But then with everybody else, create this place. It’s just beautiful, sacred [00:49:21] environment of the words that you speak. Create the sacredness of that environment and build that world around you. Ellen, there’s so much that I wanna go into with you. We didn’t even get to cover music, but maybe you can come back on another time and I would love to have people like experience your singing bulls [00:49:42] too.

[00:49:42] Julie Jancius: I think it’s just so powerful. I get visions every time I do a sound bath.

[00:49:46] Ellen Wier: Music is the universal language, like it, it conveys what conscious thinking cannot even express. It’s a powerful tool. Classical music in itself can. I can help people move into like altered states where the classical music keeps them conscious enough to remember and [00:50:03] know and direct what’s happening, but also deeply, uh, into different brainwave states.

[00:50:09] Ellen Wier: Right. The brainwave entrainment is a big part of my work, but yeah, I would love to talk about that. And it’s, it’s just a gift and honor to be here to talk about anything and everything that comes up and I love it. We just go with the flow.

[00:50:21] Julie Jancius: Yes, always. Ellen, you have [00:50:24] your book, you have your website. Tell everybody where they can find you in your work.

[00:50:28] Ellen Wier: Yeah, they can find me@wellnessmusictherapy.com. I’m also wellness music therapy on Instagram. I’ve got my book, waking Up in Heaven. You can find it on Amazon. Beyond the grave is also on Amazon. It’s streaming. It’s a great, uh, documentary.

[00:50:42] Julie Jancius: Yay. Oh, amazing. Ellen and [00:50:45] all of us are gonna be praying for Neil. I know that he’s gonna turn a corner.

[00:50:49] Julie Jancius: Just know that we’ve got a big group of prayer warriors over here, and we’re all gonna be keeping you all in our hearts and in our prayers.

[00:50:56] Ellen Wier: So received, and thank you very, very much.

[00:51:00] Julie Jancius: Thank you for being here. Oh my gosh. So fun to always get to connect.

[00:51:04] Ellen Wier: I know. It’s fabulous. [00:51:06] Thank you so much, Julie.

[00:51:07] Julie Jancius: Beautiful souls. Before we close, I just wanna say thank you. Thank you for being here, for listening, for Walking, this path of radiant energy oneness alongside me. Your presence means so much. If you feel called to go deeper. There are so many ways [00:51:27] that we can journey together. The Angel Reiki School, the upcoming Women’s Retreat, the Angel membership.

[00:51:33] Julie Jancius: In September, we begin a brand new course in the Angel membership called Clearly Here Your Intuition, and in October we’re starting a course called Find Your Purpose in 30 Days. These are soul shifting, [00:51:48] life-changing offerings, and I would love to hold space for you inside them. You can join the Angel membership to receive these courses or simply purchase them on their own at the angel medium.com/membership.

[00:52:02] Julie Jancius: Or if you wanna purchase them on their own, you can go to the angel [00:52:09] medium.com/shop. Now let’s take a moment together. I want you to take three deep breaths in and out with each breath. Feel love moving through you. Ask your angel the question or questions that are resting on your heart, and then listen.

[00:52:28] Julie Jancius: Their whispers arrive [00:52:30] as intuition, as knowing as peace. Friends, if you long to hear your angels more clearly, don’t forget, I’ve got a course for this coming up in September where you can really start to hear your intuition more clearly. I’ll walk you through step by step. Until next time, friends, breathe, trust, and [00:52:51] know that you are never alone.

[00:52:54] Julie Jancius: Your angels are always, always, always with you. Love you.