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What if you could instantly know the difference between your soul’s guidance and your ego’s fear? In this profound episode, Julie Jancius is joined by two visionary leaders: Michael Beckwith, founder of Agape International Spiritual Center and star of The Secret, and Henry Penix, CEO of Soak Technologies. They explore Michael’s incredible angelic encounter that changed his life, how to use dream states for divine answers, and the transformative power of frequency technology to raise your vibration. Discover the key to loving those who cause harm, how AI and spirituality are converging, and practical steps to build your own heaven on earth. Learn how to trust your intuition, activate your highest potential, and use cutting-edge tools to support your spiritual awakening.

TIMESTAMPED OVERVIEW

0:00 – Intro

3:23 – Julie introduces Michael Beckwith

4:00 – Michael’s profound angel story

9:55 – How to discern soul from ego

13:40 – Sensing intuition through vibration

14:44 – Receiving answers in dream states

17:36 – Michael’s daily spiritual practices

24:06 – How to love those who harm

27:24 – Our mission to build heaven

28:41 – AI and the spiritual awakening

33:02 – Advice for new spiritual teachers

35:11 – The frequency of unconditional love

36:53 – How Michael uses Soaak daily

51:06 – Outro

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TRANSCRIPT:

Julie Jancius [00:00:00]:
Friends, before we dive in, I want to extend an invitation into something sacred that could be part of your unfolding. I’m hosting three Angel Reiki schools upcoming in person. September 19, November 7, January 23. Those are all the dates when they start. When you join, you don’t just receive one certification. You’re initiated into three in the Angel Reiki School. Mediumship, Energy healing and becoming an angel messenger yourself. This is a one stop sanctuary where all of your spiritual gifts are activated and grown together.

Julie Jancius [00:00:39]:
Your unique gifts. People are called to this program for so many reasons. Some are searching for a second career that is deeply fulfilling. One where they can witness lives transformed through the creative soul led work that they’re putting out into the world. One that starts with the Angel Reiki School. Others feel the longing to create an income that supports the life they’ve always dreamed of. More time. Freedom.

Julie Jancius [00:01:09]:
The ability to take family vacations. To be there walking their children to school. And be there when they get home from school to make the memories that matter most in this life. I often remind my students to say out loud, I am a high six figure angel medium. Time and time again they come back to share how claiming that vision and going through the Angel Reiki School has opened new doors to financial abundance, radiant joy and the freedom to live life on their terms. Yes, it does take devotion to build your own business, but the Angel Reiki School is where you begin. You might not yet understand why your soul is being pulled here, but once you step in, I promise you’ll feel it. The remembering, the.

Julie Jancius [00:01:59]:
The recognition, the sense of coming home. And because the Angel Reiki School weekends are so intimate, so wonderful. Alumni love coming back that you don’t have to, but they love the energy so incredibly much they asked to come back. So we did include an alumni option where you can. But because the Angel Reiki School weekends are so intimate, half of our in person dates sell out. So if you feel that stirring in your heart, trust it. Save your space. Now, I keep our our groups small on purpose so that I get to know every single one of you well and join us for one of the upcoming Angel Reiki School weekends.

Julie Jancius [00:02:44]:
Remember, that’s in September, November or January. All of them start on a Friday evening at 6pm and all of them end by Sunday somewhere in between 12 to 2. You can register theangelmedium.com getcertified. Step into the Angel Reiki School today and begin to embody your spiritual gifts to the fullest expression. Everyone who joins the Angel Reiki School gets Access to both the online and in person school. Join today theangel medium. Com. Now here’s today’s episode.

Julie Jancius [00:03:23]:
Hello, beautiful souls. Welcome back to the angels and awakening podcast. I’m your host and author, Julie Jancius. Friends, I have have heard of this Next guest since 2006. Been a huge, huge admirer of his work. He’s just such a soul led being. I think he’s known as one of the top spiritual teachers alive in the world today. You might have seen him in the movie the secret.

Julie Jancius [00:03:49]:
He’s founded the Agape international spiritual center. Michael Beckwith, thank you so much for being on the show. And then I got to introduce Henry, too.

Michael Beckwith [00:04:00]:
It’s my absolute joy to be with you and to be with you both on this magnificent day. Thank you for welcoming me.

Julie Jancius [00:04:07]:
Of course. And just so the audience knows, we’re here with Henry Penix as well. He is the founder and CEO of Soak Technologies. Henry, is it okay for me to say I think I’ve done readings for all of your family?

Henry Penix [00:04:22]:
Yeah, Yeah, I think you have for a few. My dad had seven brothers and seven sisters. So when you say all of your family, that’s about 180.

Julie Jancius [00:04:31]:
I think that there’s about five out of there. Yes, yes.

Michael Beckwith [00:04:34]:
Immediate family.

Henry Penix [00:04:35]:
Yes. And I mean, there you go.

Michael Beckwith [00:04:37]:
There you. Yeah.

Henry Penix [00:04:37]:
You’re a trusted friend, I’ll put it that way.

Michael Beckwith [00:04:40]:
And we.

Henry Penix [00:04:40]:
We appreciate you.

Julie Jancius [00:04:41]:
Thank you. And I appreciate you right back. I can’t wait for everybody to hear about soak frequencies. Michael. I have to start out with some questions. So if the community isn’t familiar, maybe they’re just diving into spirituality. I was in the airport, I think, in 2000, when I was approached by somebody or sat next to somebody who was teaching me about manifestation. Turned on the Ellen DeGeneres show in 2006 and saw that you were going to be in this movie, the secret, and just shared that movie with Everybody, you know, 20 years ago because it was such a groundbreaking film piece of just information to come into the world at that time.

Julie Jancius [00:05:28]:
And I’ve always been curious about your relationship with angels, what you think about angels, what you believe about angels, and if you have any experiences with angels.

Michael Beckwith [00:05:39]:
First of all, the movie the secret, it still has legs after all of these years. When I travel around the world, people will come up to me and says, oh, my God, I remember you on the Secret. You changed my life. I started following agape after that, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And it still goes on. I mean, there is a New generation that’s now discovering the secret. And I. I think I’ve been in.

Michael Beckwith [00:06:01]:
In more movies than any other spiritual teacher. So there’s a lot of movies that I’ve been in. So when I first did that movie, I was speaking at Agape, and Rhonda Byrne, who is the director of that, was arriving from Aspen where they had filmed it. And she had a layover in Los Angeles. And so she comes to Agape and she hears me speak, and she says, oh, I’m doing this movie. Would you be in it? And I had invited to be in it, but I couldn’t make it to Aspen at the time. I said, sure. So we set up the screen right there about a couple hours later, and she began to ask me these questions.

Michael Beckwith [00:06:39]:
And then she said, oh, you know what? I’m not going to ask you any more questions. Just teach us. He filmed, and the rest is history. You know, it was my joy to be in that groundbreaking movie, as you indicated. And as far as angels is concerned, absolutely. The angelic realm is extremely real. It’s very real. And the ancestral realm is real.

Michael Beckwith [00:06:59]:
The realm of God is real. And I’ll share once. I have a couple of stories, but I’ll share one. A number of years ago, I was on staff at the mayor’s office in Los Angeles. I worked for Mayor Tom Bradley, and I was assigned to the 8th Councilmatic District to handle the senior citizen affairs at that time. And we started what is called the Golden Age Senior Citizen Resort. I was there running that organization. And there was a young man at that time we would call the kids at risk.

Michael Beckwith [00:07:29]:
We would take them in and train them, this type of thing. And I had a 57 Cadillac that I was restoring. I pulled into work, and he comes up to me and he says, Mr. Beckwith, your carburetor is off. Can I fix it? I’m really good with my hands, and I know how to do this. And I said, I don’t know, maybe. And he begged me. So suddenly a gigantic angel appeared behind him.

Michael Beckwith [00:07:52]:
It was very tall. It even had wings. And the angel crossed his arms and went like this. No. And I was shocked. First of all, I was shocked to see this angel. And then I was shocked that he said no. So I.

Michael Beckwith [00:08:06]:
I went to the other side of the car because I was looking into the sun to make sure I wasn’t hallucinating. So now I’m not. Now the sun’s to my back, and the angel is still standing there. And the angel is shaking his head no, no, no. So I tell the young man, no, I’m not going to allow you to do this. And he’s begging me. And I’ve said no, I don’t think so. No, I’m not telling him I see an angel.

Michael Beckwith [00:08:27]:
I’m just saying no. And so he’s so begging me. I said, well, I said, maybe, maybe, maybe, I don’t know. But right now, no. So I leave. The next day, I come to the office. Everyone in the office is crying, and I. I say, what’s wrong? Then? That night, he had been killed by a guard as he was breaking into a car parts store.

Michael Beckwith [00:08:51]:
I don’t know if he was breaking into the car parts store to get parts for my car or whatever, but the security guard killed him. And I remember I was full of grief, and I couldn’t reconcile the fact that if I had said no, he had not broken into the car parts store. Or was that his destiny? Anyway. But this is what happened for me after that angelic presence. I remember my nose became nose and my yeses became yes, and. And I didn’t dwell in the lukewarm space of maybe. And I had to get over the grief of this young boy being killed. But I remember that presence saying no.

Michael Beckwith [00:09:33]:
Like that. That changed the trajectory of my inner, you know. So if I get a no, it’s just no, even if I don’t understand why it’s a no. And if it’s a yes, it’s a yes, even if I don’t logically know why I’m saying yes. But I try not to dwell in. In between. So that was a real angelic presence. I’ve experienced more, but I’ll start off with that one.

Julie Jancius [00:09:55]:
Yeah, that’s beautiful. Beautiful soul. I just want to take a moment and say I am so excited to share something truly sacred with you. This October 3rd, 4th and 5th, we’ll gather for the Women’s Retreat. Three days of deep rejuvenation, angelic connection and strength. Soul remembrance. If you’ve been feeling disconnected, unsure of your future, or longing for something more, this retreat was created just for you. Imagine stepping away from the weight of daily life into an energetic sanctuary where you’re held, supported and guided back to the truth of who you are.

Julie Jancius [00:10:39]:
Here you’ll laugh, release, and reconnect with your soul’s deepest yearnings. This is your time to reconnect with your angels and awaken to the next chapter of your journey. And because I never want finances to stand in the way of a retreat, I’ve created a scholarship Option just for this retreat. If your heart is called this space, friends, I promise it’s awaiting just for you. Come join us@theangelmedium.com retreat. Say yes to your soul. Say yes to your angels. Say yes to this retreat.

Julie Jancius [00:11:19]:
Questions? Email me at julie theangel medium.com and now here we go, back into the show. One of the biggest questions that people ask me, and I’m interested to hear in how you would answer this, is how do you truly know with certainty what’s the difference between your soul’s voice, your intuition, and what’s your egoic mind or your ego?

Michael Beckwith [00:11:44]:
The soul voice, the spiritual voice, when you’re being led and guided, it doesn’t exclude anybody and it benefits everyone. The egoic voice may be a little selfish, it may be things that you want, but it may not carry and it’s a little grosser. It may not carry the vibration of everybody benefiting. It may just benefit you. Whereas the spiritual voice benefits everyone. It doesn’t take from anyone, it doesn’t hurt anyone. It benefits everyone because we’re all connected from the source of all creation by whatever name you call that. And so through spiritual practice of prayer, meditation, etcetera, you’re able to discern the difference between your lower self voice, if I could use that language, and your higher self voice, which is always generous, it’s always compassionate, it’s always.

Michael Beckwith [00:12:44]:
It includes everyone. And so there are individuals that even have the ability to manifest, but oftentimes what they’re manifesting is their egoic desire. And it includes getting things, hoarding, etc. It may not include everyone. We see that in the world today. And so I would just summarize it that way very quickly.

Julie Jancius [00:13:09]:
Yeah, I’m interested. You know, they say that when it comes to how we hear our intuition, some people can see visually within their mind, some people can’t. Some people can hear auditorily, some people can’t. I feel vibration. I’ve always felt energy. I can feel when something’s very high vibrational and I can feel when there’s just kind of a nothing, no energy to it. Can you feel vibration?

Michael Beckwith [00:13:40]:
Yeah, I’m more, I’m. I have a strong feeling nature as well. And I’m also guided in dream state. And I’m. And I’m. I’m guided with sometimes a word. It’s a vibrational word. Many years ago, as I was about to have a.

Michael Beckwith [00:13:57]:
I didn’t know at the time, but I was about to have a very big spiritual awakening. I was in a meeting. And a voice behind me said, if you were to take over the world tomorrow, would the world be any different? And when I looked around, there was no one standing there. And the voice said it again, but it was inside of my own being. And I realized that the people I was associating with at that time, I could see the pathology of them. And I realized we weren’t going to be great world changers because the pathology of everyone hadn’t been healed yet. It was shortly after that that I had a major spiritual awakening that shifted the course of my destiny. And I began to pursue, you know, the spiritual path.

Michael Beckwith [00:14:35]:
You know, just like that was the only path that existed. I hear it in different ways, and it’s not hearing with the ears. It’s just hearing with my entire being.

Julie Jancius [00:14:44]:
Would you say when it comes to all spiritual teachers, that it operates the same, that they have to wait sometimes for the answer? It’s not always immediate?

Michael Beckwith [00:14:54]:
Well, I’ll say that the answer is immediate. But we may not be ready any given moment. For the Presence is the same yesterday, today, and forever. So it’s always glowing and beaming with itself. Times as you about to go to sleep, you can say, if this is right for me, let me dream in green. If this is wrong for me or not yet, let me dream in. In red. And your higher self will allow for a tent of green or allow for a tent of red.

Michael Beckwith [00:15:25]:
Because your higher self, operating through your subconscious, will guide you. And so you just have to be. So I tell people to ask that, and then they’ll say, oh, I got. I got a red. I’m not supposed to do that right now. Or I got a green. It’s all systems go. So I would say that the presence is always being itself.

Michael Beckwith [00:15:46]:
But are we available in any given moment?

Julie Jancius [00:15:48]:
Tell us one of your coolest dream stories where you had an answer come through. Dream.

Michael Beckwith [00:15:54]:
Oh, my. Well, you know, my spiritual awakening as an adult was from a lucid dream. And I was actually. This dream had been going on for months, and it culminated with I saw these three men chasing me. And when I looked to my right, there was a small tent with thousands of people trying to fit into it. I knew every single person in line. And I said to myself, these people can’t hurt me because all of my friends are with me. And then one by one, they turned their back on me.

Michael Beckwith [00:16:27]:
Two of the men held me down, and one man plunged a knife into my heart. And the pain was excruciating, physically and emotionally. And I died. And when I woke Up I could see the beauty of the presence everywhere. And I could feel the love penetrating my being. And my life was never the same. So I actually died in this lucid dream. And then, you know, there’s.

Michael Beckwith [00:16:54]:
There’s. I get prophetic dreams and things of that particular nature. And I have to sometimes interpret them. But it. When I go to bed at night. And if I’m about to speak the next day at agape or something, I will ask for wisdom and guidance. And in the dream state, I’ll get a sentence. That sentence will become the foundation of my talk.

Michael Beckwith [00:17:19]:
Yeah, and it’ll build around it. I mean, I get the whole talk, but I’ll get the entry to it. And then once I start rolling with it, then the information starts to flow. So I do a lot in the dream state.

Julie Jancius [00:17:30]:
What spiritual practices do you find open your heart the fastest or other people’s hearts?

Michael Beckwith [00:17:36]:
My foundational practice is meditation. And I define meditation as the ability to pay attention to that which is real. Capital R real. I meditate every day. I do certain breathing technologies that stabilize my nervous system. So allows me to have a level of coherence around peace or love or joy, harmony, guidance. I do life visioning, which is a technology that I originated a number of years ago. But I live in a.

Michael Beckwith [00:18:08]:
I try to live in a question. Because the universal presence by law, will answer any question that you ask. Most people ask disempowering questions. Why me? Why is this going wrong? What’s wrong? That type of thing. So I’ll ask, you know, how does it get better than this? I’ll ask, you know, what great good is trying to happen in my life now? I’ll ask, why is my life working so beautifully? I’ll ask, why am I so prosperous? And the universe will start to answer that question. It’ll create a level of coherence biologically in your body. You’ll create different tonic chemicals. The same thing that happens when you.

Michael Beckwith [00:18:47]:
When you put on the soap. Technology. You create different. Different chemistry of your body will change, and you’ll become more receptive to wisdom and guidance. But I invite people not to ask disempowering questions, to ask an empowering question and then let the universe answer it.

Julie Jancius [00:19:02]:
I have flowed between, you know, just kind of studying manifestation. And I had an experience where my dad passed away. And I was working in the corporate world. And I started hearing from him before I was told that he had passed. Because we were estranged at the time. As I’ve played with this over time, it really does feel like, you know, I think a lot of people still think it’s so woo or just like not real. But when you really allow yourself to just be in the positive, it’s easy for me to go into a negative space. And the more you let yourself fall into that well, the harder it is to climb out.

Julie Jancius [00:19:41]:
But the more work that you do on yourself to keep yourself in that positive space. It’s really all life is, just what we create out of it. Right.

Michael Beckwith [00:19:51]:
What I teach is that most people don’t have an encounter with reality. They only have an encounter with their thought or belief about reality that produces their experience. But when you start to really come to an understanding that this presence of love and beauty and intelligence is for us, it’s everywhere. And you start to have encounters with that. It’s not just positive, it’s affirming. Life is affirming itself. Life never contradicts itself. And so we have different modalities that allow us to be in tune with the affirmative nature of life.

Michael Beckwith [00:20:22]:
Which is why, you know, Henry and I hang out so well together, because he has powerful technology that I love. I have spiritual practice. And you know, you, you combine, you combine intention, you combine spiritual practice, you combine high technology. Man, you’re flowing amazing.

Julie Jancius [00:20:43]:
Yes.

Henry Penix [00:20:43]:
Slow motion like you say.

Julie Jancius [00:20:44]:
Yeah, Henry soak is so cool. Explain to everybody what it is that you guys do. The membership that you have, you’ve created this technology of frequency that works with a person’s being to bring them back to their soul self. Healing energies, healing frequencies the military uses as well.

Henry Penix [00:21:06]:
We’re very happy to see the day come where the things that used to be considered a little woo, which were frequencies that you couldn’t really get your, your head around, now they can measure with quantum computing and with the different things that we have now that actually measure energy fields and knowing we can measure the field from our heart out, you know, three to six feet beyond our body. All, all those things have intersected in time with technology, with a Michael Beckwith, with the military, that all aren’t supposed to be in the same sandbox, but somehow they are, like right now. And it’s a very exciting time. Just the quick two minute story. We created frequencies out of a clinic about nine years ago. And a lot of our modalities, people were using massage therapy, cranial sacral work, just a bunch of different modalities to get better, to help a person be relieved of anxiety, depression, low energy, low libido, hormone imbalances, all those things. And we found that some people could not take supplements. Some people were resistant to certain treatments.

Henry Penix [00:22:09]:
But when we let them listen to frequency compositions, which is not just a single frequency, it’s not me telling you, just listen to, you know, 432Hz. This is a composition of 5 to 25 frequencies that come together that will. For an intended outcome. So if somebody came into our clinic and they had problems with depression or anxiety or low energy, we could actually give them a frequency composition that we had put together over time that’s been tried and tested, clinically proven for that outcome. So we began marketing that, we began addressing that, we began growing our library, we began inviting different speakers on to talk about them and things like that. And, and over time we’re, we’re now at a point where we’re on our, we’re working for our third contract with the, with the military. We’ve got amazing people like Michael Beckwith. He’s actually our director of mindfulness for the entire corporation and making.

Henry Penix [00:23:09]:
We’re in 190 countries now. So we came from, actually it originated in San Diego with, with, you know, my daughter, my son in law and different things we were doing in that area. Moved to Tulsa, Oklahoma because that’s where we have a lot of family. And we were in, you know, two or three countries. After we were on Michael’s podcast, we ran like a hundred countries and now we’re in 190. So, you know, God has really blessed it. It’s been just an amazing journey and then being able to share it with people like you and your audiences who are not just caught up in the physicality of things, but are truly spirit, mind and body. Because spiritually we, you know, if you don’t address that first, you haven’t addressed anything.

Henry Penix [00:23:54]:
So we’re very happy of where we are today.

Julie Jancius [00:23:57]:
I’ve got frequency questions. I’ve also got future questions. Michael, I gotta get your opinion on this. How do you love those who harm others?

Michael Beckwith [00:24:06]:
Well, when we understand that love is not just sweet, sentimental, romantic, that love is the total givingness of the spirit without any sense of withhold at all. So it’s a transpersonal love. It’s not personal, it’s transpersonal. Which means we may not like what the individual is saying or doing. They may be very destructive, they may be very mean, they may be very stingy, whatever the case may be, you know, but who they are, the essence of them is still God. And so through spiritual practice, you’re able to separate the being from what they do or what they say or what they Think, you know, if we look at the great teacher, you know, he said, in substance, you know, bless those that curse you, pray for those that despitefully use you is bless and love your enemy. That’s, that’s called heavy lifting. That’s going into the weight room and really getting down.

Michael Beckwith [00:24:58]:
And that’s real spiritual practice because it’s easy to love those you like. It is difficult to love those you don’t like. But that’s where the spiritual practice is. So when we look out upon the world and we see calamity, we see chaos, we see wars, we see rumors of wars, we see all manner of things. Those are the things that have come to pass. They’re passing through our collective consciousness. Because the genesis of those things that are occurring is a sense of separation, a sense of people not knowing who they really are. They’ve forgotten themselves.

Michael Beckwith [00:25:30]:
They’re forgotten that we’re all brothers and sisters. And so in that forgetfulness, they do destructive things. And so in order to really change the world for the better, we have to rise up and actually see what’s within an individual so it can be activated. Now, I had an individual I used to, I had the privilege of working with many years ago, Ram Dass. He invited me to do workshops with him. And we co worked, we code, we did some things together. And he had a particular spiritual practice. He not only had the saints on his altar, he would take individuals that were dictators, individuals that were presidents that were doing heinous things, and put those beings on his altar as well.

Michael Beckwith [00:26:11]:
So that when he fell prey to hating them or being disliking them, or he would ask for the power to see the Christ in them, even though they couldn’t see the Christ in themselves.

Julie Jancius [00:26:23]:
Wow.

Michael Beckwith [00:26:23]:
And so that was heavy lifting. And so when we look out upon the world and we see destruction and we see individuals operating from greed and pseudo power, you know, there are brothers and sisters who have lost their way. I call them the lesser of us. Not, not, you know, that they, they, their, their consciousness, their perception is very limited. But they have pseudo power. But if we don’t see the Christ within them or the Buddha mind or the mystic, how is the world going to change? So it calls upon us. One of the things I teach the practitioners at Agape is when we look at the news and we see destruction happening, the news is actually a call. It’s a deep prayer request call.

Michael Beckwith [00:27:05]:
It’s not to look at it and say that’s real, because it’s not real. It’s temporary. The World is calling us to pray so that we can see reality, so that we could actually influence the world.

Julie Jancius [00:27:17]:
How do you think that we build heaven on Earth? Is that our mission right here, right now, is to build heaven on Earth?

Michael Beckwith [00:27:24]:
Absolutely. I teach that. We’re not here to be ascended masters. We’re here to be descended masters, that is. We’ve come from the absolute. We’re to remember who we are and then to bring those higher frequencies to the planet. Not to escape and leave. Oh, I got to get rid of this.

Michael Beckwith [00:27:42]:
Got to get through this veil of tears and get away. No, we’ve chose to be here to do what? To raise. To remember who we are. We’re vibrational beings to raise our frequency to the frequency of love, kindness, compassion, generosity, and to bring it to the planet. And if more and more, more and more people do that, we’re going to change the world. It’s no if, ands or buts about it.

Julie Jancius [00:28:06]:
I’m wondering too, Michael, when it comes to this technology, this AI that we know is just going to ramp up, it kind of feels like the energy of 1999, where everybody had that fear of Y2K. Like, fear of it. I don’t have any fear with it. I don’t think that this technology is God itself. I think that there are some tech people, like the tech bros, who might kind of feel that way. But it seems like we’re paralleling a spiritual awakening with this technological advancement. What do we need to know about, about this?

Michael Beckwith [00:28:41]:
Well, a couple of things. One, as we’re talking about here, a science and technology is catching up with what the great mystics have been saying for centuries, that we’re all connected. We’re a singular manifestation of a cosmic unfolding, and technology is basically just feeding back to us that basic truth. So when you talk about AI, AI is actually programmed by a human being. So it’s progressing, it’s unfolding. It still has flaws in it because it’s programmed by a human being. So what I like would remind people is that who we are as a spiritual being and we have this brain, this is what we have. And who we are is greater than any technology that will ever be created.

Michael Beckwith [00:29:26]:
And what we don’t want to do is so rely on it, that we atrophy our own. We atrophy our own potential. You know, that we can actually. You can actually meditate. You can actually activate potential within yourself that’s greater than any computer whatsoever. So I would say definitely use AI. Definitely use all the things to assist you in your unfoldment, but do not neglect development of your own potential. So, like, for instance, you know, I have.

Michael Beckwith [00:29:57]:
I have right now, I have focus playing on soak right now sitting here, right here. It’s focus. And so it’s assisting me in just being focused right here. And right now. It’s not stopping me from the activation of my potential, but it’s assisting me in lifting my vibration. So I’m actually focused right here, right now with both of you. And so it’s the right use of technology. So there are a lot of people that are relying so much on AI that they’re not even doing their own spiritual practices anymore anymore.

Michael Beckwith [00:30:27]:
And so what happens is they’re developing a crutch and that were to suddenly go away, they would not know how to think anymore or to be their full self. So I say it’s very useful. It’s very beautiful. Obviously, it’s programmed by human beings, so there’s flaws in it. However, it’s very useful. But do not neglect the unfoldment of your own soul through your own spiritual intentionality in your own spiritual practice.

Henry Penix [00:30:53]:
Yeah, and Michael, that’s kind of like, you know, what text was to phone conversations. Like, now if I can just text you, I don’t have to talk to you. I don’t have to look at you. I can’t. I barely know what to say if I meet you face to face, because I’ve been texting so much. So that’s kind of how one technology can take over more of what we rely on being inherently spiritual. And I’ve only said this on one other podcast, but, you know, Christ. I believe Jesus Christ was the first quantum model because, you know, he was physical, where he could only be with one person at a time.

Henry Penix [00:31:27]:
And then he said, I must go away. And I’m going to send back the comforter, which we call the Holy Spirit, that will lead and guide you in all things. So the Holy Spirit can now be anywhere, anytime, which is the quantum model. And. And the same vibrational voice. Michael, as you have said that in the beginning, said, let there be. Now we are. And.

Henry Penix [00:31:47]:
And so it’s made full circle. One has proved the other.

Michael Beckwith [00:31:50]:
Yeah, I like what you’re saying, because when Jesus said, as I am lifted up, I draw all unto me. As he goes into a higher frequency.

Henry Penix [00:31:59]:
Yes.

Michael Beckwith [00:32:00]:
He draws to the highest. The highest frequency always wins. He draws. And then when he talks about in my father’s house or many mansions, I go and prepare a place. Now, we would say in this unified field of Awareness of infinite potential, infinite possibility. I go into a higher frequency and I, and I’m hang, I’m not going to come down, but I’m hanging and drawing you into this higher frequency and.

Henry Penix [00:32:21]:
There’S a place for you.

Michael Beckwith [00:32:22]:
It’s an infinite place. So that means that the mysticism and the science are now saying the same thing. Unified field of awareness, infinite potential, infinite possibilities. Highest vibration wins. And through your choice, through spiritual practice, you can vibrate higher. Yeah.

Henry Penix [00:32:40]:
So good.

Julie Jancius [00:32:41]:
There’s a lot of spiritual teachers who are kind of up and coming who listen to this podcast. And I wonder a couple of different things. What would you tell them? You know, people who really feel called to lead others home to their soul self. What does this journey for them look like over the next 20 years? And how is that different from it was before?

Michael Beckwith [00:33:02]:
I would make sure that they’re actually yielding or being summoned by a calling and not just an ego desire to be a teacher, that it’s a real calling, it’s a real summons from your soul. 2. This is the easiest time in human history to wake up, primarily because, you know, we’ve gone from tribalism to past pseudo patriotism to global consciousness. Now we have a galactic and cosmic awareness. All of that is infusing in the field of humanity. So it becomes easier now to break out of the matrix, so to speak, and to wake up. Years ago, you had, he had people, you had Buddha, you had Jesus, you had Kuan Yin, localized spiritual mystics in a, in a, in a local consciousness that still, as, as Henry was saying, it’s now quantum, but now with the Internet, with WI fi, with all these things, we, we have a, There’s a time in which we’re living that we can pop out of the Matrix because the field is rich. You have, you have SOAP technology.

Michael Beckwith [00:34:07]:
You know, the field is rich. So it’s not going to take like many lifetimes to wake up. I, I say you can wake up in one lifetime if you’re sincere, if you have strong intentionality coupled with spiritual practice. Right. Use of technology. You don’t have to do many lifetimes. In this lifetime, you can wake up right now. And what does waking up mean? It means you’re able to tell the difference between the content passing through your awareness and you as pure awareness.

Michael Beckwith [00:34:37]:
There’s content, just like the ocean has content. It has plankton, seaweed, pollution, fish. But it’s not the ocean. We’re pure consciousness. We have content. We have traumas, dramas, beliefs, opinions, points of view. All that stuff is not who we are. That’s passing through.

Michael Beckwith [00:34:55]:
So through meditation, the right use of technology, you can see the difference. And when you see the difference, that’s waking up.

Julie Jancius [00:35:01]:
Do you think that there is a frequency beyond unconditional love, or is unconditional love the highest frequency that is unconditional.

Michael Beckwith [00:35:11]:
Love is extremely high on the Hawkins scale. It vibrates around 570, you know, but there’s 600, 700, 800, where you go into a unitive state of awareness, and it’s still love, but there’s no subject and object. I am you and you are me on a spiritual level. And it’s a. It’s a communion with the love that’s everywhere. So I know we’re probably, you know, mixing words here, but it’s a very high state. Yeah, Yeah.

Henry Penix [00:35:46]:
I think unconditional love is. Is obviously right up there with gratitude, thankfulness, you know, things like that. You can’t be hateful and grateful at the same. I always think about that. But I also think there is a spiritual being that. That all emanates from as well. Has anyone been there? Has anyone seen that? Has anyone been at a frequency higher than unconditional love? Maybe sometimes in lucid dreams, maybe. You know, I don’t know if this body could even handle that, this physical body.

Henry Penix [00:36:22]:
But I. But I. I don’t close my mind to the fact that there are higher vibrational frequencies out there.

Julie Jancius [00:36:31]:
I want to go in two directions. People should know that. Soak. Can you, like, help? Right. And bringing people into that high vibrational frequency. I’m just wondering, Michael, how do you use it in your day as an aid to shift between being in oneness with all that is and doing what you need to do as a human being?

Michael Beckwith [00:36:53]:
Well, Henry can break down the science of this. I go to the gym pretty much every morning to work out, and he has a technology called exercise that assists with the curating of certain levels of energy and blood flow. And so when I get there, I put that on. Actually, I put it on in my car because he has the technology that allows you. You can listen to a podcast or you can listen to music at the same time. Soak is playing underneath that. So I have exercise playing. So by the time I get to the gym, my body’s already acclimated for that.

Michael Beckwith [00:37:23]:
And then I stretch, I get on the treadmill, and it’s playing. I still have it playing in the gym, and I actually put it. My trainer makes me a glass of beet juice every morning, and I put the Soak technology right up against the beet juice. So while I’m working out, those frequencies are going into what I’m about to drink. And so I’m working out. Soak is playing. Even if I can’t totally hear it, I know it’s there near me. It’s in the room.

Michael Beckwith [00:37:47]:
And so I do that. So today I knew I was going to be on a podcast with you both. You know, I’ve already done my meditation in the morning and so I put on focus right now. So focus is playing right now. Right. It’s probably affecting all of us, you know, even though you may not be able to hear it. So it’s allowing a level of focus to occur. So I kind of just use it throughout the course of the day.

Michael Beckwith [00:38:08]:
You know, for instance, you know, I have long days, you know, have meetings and teach classes and things of that particular nature. So the end of the day, I may have a meeting at 6 or 7 o’ clock. And I’ve already had many things going on. I’ll put on. I’ll put on high energy just as an assist to. To assist me to maintain a level of energy in the meeting I’m about to go into. So it’s just kind of a part of my life. So I don’t not meditate.

Michael Beckwith [00:38:38]:
I do not not exercise. I do not not eat good nutritious food. I do not not hydrate. I do all of that. This is a universal technological assist.

Julie Jancius [00:38:49]:
Yeah.

Michael Beckwith [00:38:50]:
All that I’m called to do. I mean, I did all this stuff before silk existed, so now it’s an addition to my. It’s like people take supplements, you know, because the. The earth is not. Doesn’t carry the same mineral content that it used to have. So people need to supplement to their body too. This is a vibrational supplement. Love it.

Michael Beckwith [00:39:07]:
But to my way of living, that’s how I look at it.

Julie Jancius [00:39:10]:
That’s beautiful.

Michael Beckwith [00:39:10]:
And I’ll tell you this, it works.

Henry Penix [00:39:15]:
We were sharing before that. You tried this for a year and. And I had to overcome a lot of upsetness. Why hasn’t this guy called me in a year? You know, he’s the father of meditation. He’s got all the accolades behind him. He’s got a. He’s lit. He’s walked the talk, which very few people do, you know, and why hasn’t he called me back? But finally when he did, he said, henry, do you realize what you have here and what you’ve assembled and shared some personal stuff, some stories with me of how it affected him and his, his body it’s the people around him.

Henry Penix [00:39:50]:
And I thought, yes, you know, thank God. And then, and then we became brothers from another mother. It was like we were just so. Friend. Friend shaped our, our relationship went deeper than, than any business venture or anything. When I walked in his office the first time in la, he walked out and he looked at me and he said, I knew you before I knew you.

Julie Jancius [00:40:11]:
Is there a frequency on soak that helps the earth heal, that helps humanity shift and lift, that we could all be doing together at the same time every day?

Henry Penix [00:40:23]:
Yeah, that’s, that’s the beauty of. So like Michael said, we’ve our technology. You can embed it with anything you’re already doing. So if you want to listen to a podcast or listen to an audiobook, or listen to your favorite music while you’re working out, it can be embedded in the background. And just now we have a feature called Find My Frequency. And before we had 30 buckets of frequencies that if you wanted something for depression, anxiety, low energy, hormone imbalance, whatever, you picked it and kind of self diagnosed. Now we have one button, and this has taken us five years to develop, that you press the button and it will read your biometrics. So if you have an Oura ring or a Fitbit or an Apple Watch or whatever, it’ll go in, read your biometrics, your heart rate, your heart rate variability and your sleep and say based on where you’re at in the moment, this frequency is for you.

Henry Penix [00:41:16]:
So there’s not. Yeah. And then, and then the AI we use AI and the AI comes out and goes into a hundred buckets that’s not even open to the public and finds that perfectly personalized frequency just for you. So there’s not one frequency that, that we would ever say, everybody listen to this for coherence, because everybody needs something different. We tried to come up with the technologies that said, okay, based on your differences, this is what Julie needs, this is what Michael needs, this is what Henry needs. Then if we all play those together and become our highest vibrational selves, then the world has to change it. It’s not that we change the world, but we, we become what we want to change. So that, that’s, that’s the exc.

Henry Penix [00:42:00]:
Where we are now with the technology and with the people around us.

Julie Jancius [00:42:05]:
You soak to create our own heaven on earth within our own individual lives. And as we all do that, we create a collective heaven on earth.

Henry Penix [00:42:12]:
I love that.

Julie Jancius [00:42:13]:
Yeah.

Henry Penix [00:42:13]:
I’ll probably use that sound bite from, from here on out. And if you Think about the name. It, you know, it has to do with, with the water. Like you’re soaking in this, you’re, you’re, you’re. And you know, the water’s always been in parallel with the spirit. So whenever I’m on a boat or whenever I’m out in the water, I, I feel different, I dream different, I, I am different when I drink water. We’re made up of, you know, 80 something percent water. So when you’re soaking in this and you lay back and you can soak in it and become that, then, then you see the changes, right?

Michael Beckwith [00:42:49]:
You know, it’s like if you go to any of the temples in India or any old churches, there’s a vibration in there for the thousands of people that have been praying and praying, praying for years, you can feel it, you know, and it impacts, it impacts you, it impacts you in a very positive way. This is very similar. And he’s talking about water. I mean, our, our body is mainly water and empty space. And so it’s imprinting the water in us so that that water then goes through all the systems of the body temple and uplifts it and heals it and detoxifies it. And it’s just like going into an ancient temple and feeling the frequency. Here you’re carrying the frequency with you and, and assisting you in your spiritual practice and intentionality.

Henry Penix [00:43:31]:
And, and when you say the body’s made up of so much of water, and I’ll, I’ll do this in 60 seconds, we have trillions of cells in our body and our cells turn over every 24 hours. It’s, it’s different. And what soap does is when you hear that next to your cell, it’s kind of like the tuning fork. If you hit a tuning fork and it plays a D chord and, and you hold another one up next to it and you don’t touch this one, it will resonate. There’s a, there’s a sympathetic resonance. It’ll resonate in sympathy to this one and it’ll resonate a D chord just like this. So we are soak is that tuning fork that’s been struck and it’s playing this frequency that is digital so it can’t change. And when you play it next to your frequency, that can change because we’re made up of mind, will and emotion.

Henry Penix [00:44:16]:
Then like Michael said, we resonate at the highest level. So you begin resonating at that higher level. And now I can work out better. Now. My depression left, now my anxiety left. Now my low energy is High energy. And that’s what we’re feeling. And as you even do something like drinking the water and blessing the water before you drink, you know, I bless this water, and it and it and it, and it goes into your body, then all of those cells are changing even that much more rapidly.

Henry Penix [00:44:41]:
Kind of like a battery. When you charge a battery, you always have water in it, and it helps charge it. So to get charged and to be in charge, you. You listen to that unrelenting frequency that pulls you up to the highest level. And then as somebody in your family, think about this. As you’re at the highest level and vibrating at a higher level because of listening to soak and doing your meditations and eating and all the things that Michael said, then you raise the vibration of your whole household. You raise the vibration of your kids. You say, my kids won’t listen to me.

Henry Penix [00:45:11]:
They don’t have to listen to you, but they can feel you. You walk in that house as a certain being and turned on at a certain level at a higher vibratory basis, and your family will change.

Julie Jancius [00:45:20]:
I wrote a book on how to hear your intuition more clearly, and that was all. The fundamental principle is, like, if you’re not in the right vibration, you can’t hear it because you’re not on the right radio station 100%. Before I have Henry, just let everybody know where we can find, soak, and dive into it. Michael, two questions. Is there a Agape center or something like it in Chicago or Chicagoland where I am? And two, are there any messages that you feel on your heart that just the world needs to hear right now?

Michael Beckwith [00:45:53]:
We have a sister community in Chicago. You know, it’s the Universal foundation for better Living.

Julie Jancius [00:46:00]:
Okay.

Michael Beckwith [00:46:00]:
They have Christ Universal Temple there in Chicago. It was founded by Dr. Johnny Coleman, and she subsequently has passed over. But the minister that’s there now is very powerful. And so we have similar philosophies. Sister community, Agape, obviously, like. Like Henry was saying that we’re in 100 agapes in 190 countries as well, primarily through live streaming, our website, agapelive.com and through our Facebook page and through our YouTube channel. People tune in all around the world and then make Agape a destination point.

Michael Beckwith [00:46:35]:
They people will build their vacations and business meetings around coming to Los Angeles to attend a service or to come in for any special events that we have. We do have satellites, but we don’t have an official affiliate in Chicago yet. But the Universal Christ Temple will be the closest thing to it. I want people to know that they’re more powerful than they think they are. That oftentimes they feel under siege by the conditions of the world, the human condition, human circumstances. And they need to know that those circumstances are just congealed thoughts that humanity is having. And once they break free and begin to think for themselves, which means inspiration, their own circumstances will begin to change. They’ll be.

Michael Beckwith [00:47:19]:
I say that we’re all spiritual astronauts. We carry our own atmosphere with us, and so we begin to carry our own heaven with us. And as Henry was saying, we become living tuning forks that begin to assist other people to vibrate at that level. Sometimes without any, Any conversation. I. I invite people to try an experiment. You’re getting ready to go into a meeting, you’re getting ready to go into an environment. Instead of saying, you know, I hope when I go into this environment, it’s going to be nice.

Michael Beckwith [00:47:48]:
No, no, no. Take nice with you. You know, before you go into the meeting, bring yourself into a coherence of love and a peace. Bring it with you, hold the space, and then watch as the room starts to vibrate at that level. Why? Because the highest vibration always wins. Why? Science is now showing us all thoughts are not created equal. A thought that emerges from a sense of separation doesn’t have the same gain and frequency as a thought that’s emerging from a field of love. If you listen to us, you’re more powerful than you think you are.

Michael Beckwith [00:48:23]:
There’s so much power oozing through you and through your uniqueness. If you have a modicum of intention, spiritual practice, the right use of technology, meditation, you will make a difference on the planet. And you don’t want to leave the planet until you’ve made the difference that only you can make.

Julie Jancius [00:48:42]:
I love that. Michael and Henry, thank you for being here. Henry, tell us where everybody can find soak and use the word angel to get a discount today.

Henry Penix [00:48:51]:
Yeah, it’s not just a discount, it’s free. So for one month, everybody listening can get soak for free by going to soak dot com. S O, A, A K. There’s an extra A in it. So s O-A-A k.com forward slash angel, a, n, g, E, L, not angle like I misspelled one time. The angel will give you the right angle, but don’t misspell them. But yeah, just use the promo code angel and get 30 days free, no strings attached. If you love it, keep it.

Henry Penix [00:49:22]:
If you don’t, don’t leave it. But I know you’re going to love it. And you’ll see what Michael and I have been talking about today, about how it will assist you literally in every area of your life. And it’s passive. It’s not. You don’t have to go somewhere. I’m not. You should go places.

Henry Penix [00:49:37]:
You should relax. They say if you don’t have time to meditate for 10 minutes, you need to meditate for an hour. So. But, but, but it’s, it’s passive. So that if you are kicking around the house or working out or listening to audiobook, you can do it while you’re doing that. But yeah, we want to give your audience 30 days free. Just go to soap.com and use promo code angel and. And you’re in business.

Julie Jancius [00:50:00]:
Amazing. Thank you so much for that beautiful offer and thank you both for taking time out of your day to be here today. It’s just been such a blessing to be here with you both.

Michael Beckwith [00:50:09]:
Let’s do it again.

Julie Jancius [00:50:10]:
Perfect. Wonderful. Thank you. And good luck on your trip in Germany. You’re going over to Munich?

Michael Beckwith [00:50:17]:
No, not now. I’m going over to Ghana.

Julie Jancius [00:50:19]:
Oh, Ghana. Oh, that’s amazing.

Michael Beckwith [00:50:21]:
To celebrate another sister community, the ethereum mission, their 50th anniversary. So I’ll be speaking there and bringing a traveling group with me to, to experience that and other things in Ghana.

Henry Penix [00:50:35]:
Very nice.

Michael Beckwith [00:50:36]:
I have a book coming, it’s gonna on meditation in the next couple of months and it’s also being released in German. And so I’ll be over in Germany next year to do a wonderful festival there.

Julie Jancius [00:50:46]:
Who’s the person? I’ll reach out to them and see if we can get you back on or if you’d be willing to come back on the show. I’d love to have you back.

Michael Beckwith [00:50:53]:
Absolutely. I’ll have my people reach out to you and give you all the information on it.

Julie Jancius [00:50:57]:
Okay, sounds great. Thank you so much, Michael and good luck with the opening.

Michael Beckwith [00:51:01]:
Thank you.

Julie Jancius [00:51:02]:
Of course.

Henry Penix [00:51:02]:
See ya. Thank you.

Julie Jancius [00:51:03]:
Have a beautiful day. You too.

Michael Beckwith [00:51:05]:
Bye. Bye.

Julie Jancius [00:51:06]:
Beautiful souls. Before we close, I just want to say thank you. Thank you for being here, for listening, for walking this path of radiant energy oneness along alongside me. Your presence means so much. If you feel called to go deeper. There are so many ways that we can journey together. The Angel Reiki School. The upcoming women’s retreat, the angel membership.

Julie Jancius [00:51:32]:
In September, we begin a brand new course in the angel membership called clearly hear your intuition. And in October, we’re starting a course called find your purpose in 30 days. These are soul shifting, life changing offerings and I would love to hold space for you inside them. You can join the angel membership to receive these courses, or simply purchase them on their own@theangelmedium.com membership. Or if you want to purchase them on their own, you can go to theangelmedium.com shop and now, let’s take a moment together. I want you to take three deep breaths, in and out. With each breath, feel love moving through you. Ask your angel the question or questions that are resting on your heart, and then listen.

Julie Jancius [00:52:27]:
Their whispers arrive as intuition, as knowing as peace. Friends, if you long to hear your angels more clearly, don’t forget I’ve got a course for this coming up in September where you can really start to hear your intuition more clearly. I’ll walk you through step by step. Until next time. Friends, breathe trust and know that you are never alone. Your angels are always, always, always with you. Love you.