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Today I sit down with Grant Sabatier, author of Inner Entrepreneur, to explore how aligning business with intuition creates both profit and profound peace. We unpack the AI revolution’s spiritual implications, why ‘feeling stuck’ means you ARE stuck, and how money is simply energy waiting to be harnessed for freedom. Grant shares raw stories—from launching his purpose-driven bookstore to meditation retreats in Bali—revealing how surrendering to your soul’s path unlocks unexpected abundance. If you’re ready to transform fear into fuel and build a life that feels like heaven on earth, this episode is your wake-up call.

TIMESTAMPED OVERVIEW

00:00 Julie’s Personal Journey and Podcast Mission

01:19 Introducing Guest Grant Sabatier, Author of “Inner Entrepreneur”

03:28 AI Revolution’s Impact on Entrepreneurship and Soul Purpose

06:19 Overcoming Fear: “If You Feel Stuck, You Are”

08:17 Surrendering to Intuition (Not Logic) for Success

14:41 Creating Financial “Breathing Room” for Spiritual Growth

22:49 Julie’s Mid-Show Resources (Angel Reiki School, Women’s Circles)

25:37 Grant’s Bookstore: A Soul-Driven Business Case Study

31:34 Releasing Limiting Beliefs About Money and Identity

36:08 Purpose Evolves: You’re Meant for Multiple Chapters

43:33 “You Already Have Everything”: The Illusion of Scarcity

46:13 Cryptocurrency Myths and Diversifying Wealth Wisely

48:11 Where to Find Grant’s Work and Closing Thoughts

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TRANSCRIPT:

Julie Jancis [00:00:00]:
Hello friends. Welcome to the Angels and Awakening podcast. I’m your host, Julie Jancis. If you love this podcast, please be our angel. Ask a friend to listen. Subscribe. Rate us five stars, leave a positive review and share a screenshot of this podcast on your Facebook or Instagram Stories. So my dad passed away in 2015.

Julie Jancis [00:00:26]:
We weren’t talking and it took a month for his family to track me down. Before I ever knew he was gone, I started hearing from him in heaven. It consumed me. How is communication with the other side even possible? I left my corporate gig, studied with spiritual teachers on every coast, and worked with my angels to figure out the answers. Today my mission is teaching you how to raise your vibration, shift your thoughts, trust your intuition, develop your unique spiritual gifts and connect with your loved ones and angels on the other side. Friends, when you have these tools, life really does become heaven on earth. Hello beautiful souls. Welcome back to the Angels and Awakening podcast.

Julie Jancis [00:01:19]:
I’m your host and author, Julie Jancis. And friends, you’re in for a treat. Today we have the author of Inner A Proven Path to Profit and Peace. Cannot wait for this grant, Grant Sabatier. Welcome to the show.

Grant Sabatier [00:01:34]:
Glad to be here. Thanks for having me on.

Julie Jancis [00:01:35]:
I have been taking a deep dive. Everything happening in the world just kind of looking at we are, you know, our generation has seen the rise of the Internet. We know what it was like beforehand. We know how the Internet just completely changed things. And I don’t really think that people are prepared for the AI revolution of like the industrial revolution of like what’s to come and just how much that is going to change our lives completely. And I kid you not, I probably ordered over 58 books. I went through my Amazon account and counted it just about this topic over the last year because I really want to understand it. But everything that I’m seeing is saying that as we kind of come into this AI revolution, a lot of what’s going to be happening is people have their own niche, their own expertise and they’re going to be starting different businesses about.

Julie Jancis [00:02:37]:
About what they’re passionate about, about their heart feels called. Which to me says that we’re going to be more on our soul’s path than ever before. I just kind of want to get your take on this. Are you seeing the same thing?

Grant Sabatier [00:02:50]:
Yeah, absolutely. Love that. I think, you know, we live in such a remarkable time in history, but at these remarkable moments, you know, there’s people who are able to really thrive and it really benefits people who are creative and entrepreneurial and self starters Just because the barrier to entry, to create anything is so low. But on the flip side, it also makes it more competitive. So, you know, when I started my first podcast back in 2016, no one was podcasting. And so it was just like a blue ocean. And it was so easy to get attention now, very, very competitive, very difficult, a lot more difficult to get an audience, make money, build a platform. But with AI, the barrier is even lower.

Grant Sabatier [00:03:28]:
I mean, you can automate so many different things that it used to take just many, many people to create. And so for the self starter, the person who’s willing to learn these tools, it’s just truly a massive revolution. The challenge is that it’s very, very difficult to distinguish yourself. And I really think the only way to distinguish yourself and to connect with others is like you’re talking about at the soul level. And so amidst AI and even, you know, AI becoming very, very intelligent, I think that people will always be able to sense someone else’s essence. And I think that’ll be. It’s impossible to manipulate and I think people can be fooled for a little while, but, you know, true connection sort of sitting in the same energy with someone else, feeling someone else, you know, that’s happening, you know, at a vibrational level, it’s happening at a deeper level than kind of just people just chatting and talking. And.

Grant Sabatier [00:04:19]:
And so I think for the people who are truly themselves, it’s a remarkable time because when you do share who you truly are and you don’t put up a facade, people will at least be able to react and hopefully connect with the real you. And so the people that do that well, and I think it’s, you know, unfortunately now, when I started creating content, there was very few people talking about money in a vulnerable way. So I was very early on that, you know, I just shared every way that I was making money, very transparent about my net worth, all those pieces, and people really connected with that. So if you take the time to figure out what you want to do and have something distinctive to say and can really connect with people, it’s never been easier to do that, for sure.

Julie Jancis [00:04:59]:
And I think it’s never going to be easier, you know, in the future. This is what they’re looking for. We weren’t raised in our generation to be leaders, right? You go through the school system, that school system really taught us how to follow very well, teach to the test, the standardized tests. And you know, in the past generations, I look at my grandparents generation, they didn’t really have a problem stepping into leadership Roles. You know, I don’t know if it’s. They were products of the Great Depression. They were seeing world wars as they were growing up. But when they saw a hole, they stepped up and they filled it and they stepped into those positions.

Julie Jancis [00:05:46]:
Were we not raised to be leaders? Because I’m seeing right now a lot of people in their late 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, who are really feeling this soul calling to step into something else. But that takes a lot of courage to. Okay, you know, I’ve done this my entire life. I’m stepping into a second career or I’m starting another path for myself. Takes a lot of courage. What is it? Is it the courage that we need? Is it the leadership skills? Is it both?

Grant Sabatier [00:06:19]:
Yeah. In my book, I talk a little bit about how I think most people are stuck between an irrational level of fear and an illusion of control. And I think that so many people think that choices they make in their life are a lot riskier than they actually are, and so they just don’t make choices at all. Right. We were disciplined when we were creative and curious. Right. We were just. We’re trained, and we all go to school and sit in those desks and follow lesson plans, and we’re basically all taught to be middle managers at companies.

Grant Sabatier [00:06:48]:
I mean, that’s what makes capitalism work. But when you start stepping outside of that and having a little bit of success. In the book, I talk a lot about this. How do you experiment being an entrepreneur? How do you figure out what you want to do? How do you test it out to see how it makes you feel, what’s possible, Getting comfortable with it? Because those first couple of steps, as you start figuring out what entrepreneurship means, as you start figuring out your soul level, purpose, not only is it, you know, like a fun thing to do, but it teaches you a lot about yourself. Because a lot of this is really just about growth and about expansion and realizing that all that life is about is defining success for yourself. And success, the marker of success is are you happy or not? And so there’s people. I mean, that’s irrespective of how much money you have or in a lot of cases, what you’re doing. The truly brilliant people in life are the ones who are happy with the lives that they’re living.

Grant Sabatier [00:07:44]:
And if you’re not happy with the lives that you’re living, then there are other paths to find that. And if you feel stuck, it’s because you are. And a lot of people have these feelings. And I talk at the book a lot about in the west, we’re really driven just by our minds, right? It’s like we. We just think ourselves in circles, basically. And it’s not your mind that’s going to get you out of this trap, right? It’s your intuition, it’s your heart. And so the things that you feel have meaning. And the more that you pay attention to that, so the more that you pay attention and move towards that, the more you’ll expand your life and the more success that you’ll find.

Grant Sabatier [00:08:17]:
Because I really do believe that when you do align with your soul level purpose and you follow the things that you love, you get rewarded for it. The universe wants you to do that. And so it’s like, it’s kind of like riding a wave. Like the most successful entrepreneurs I know, the happiest ones, you know, their businesses, they’re challenging, they’re difficult in some ways, but they’re effortless at the same time, you know, and when, when, you know, we all kind of get in that flow state in different areas of our life, but you, you can really do it, you know, in how you build your business and how you build your career. But we’re just not conditioned to think that way. No one talks about it that way. And unfortunately, a lot of the teachers that we learn from, even though they’re great, you know, these are people who in a lot of cases wanted to do something else and just had to default to teaching. There are people who are really subject matter experts, but they’re not life experts, you know, and so we spend our life learning from people that we don’t really want our lives to look like.

Grant Sabatier [00:09:13]:
And then that’s who, you know, we end up trying to follow. And so the great thing about the world that we’re living in today is that there’s so many blueprints and, you know, podcasts and books, you know, you can check these things out for free or at the library for free, and you can just learn from other people who are doing something different. And that’s the great thing today because a lot of the mystery behind how is someone living that life is, you know, has dissipated. Right. It’s pretty easy to learn if you’re curious.

Julie Jancis [00:09:42]:
Yeah, I think it was really interesting what you said, so I just want to repeat it. I think people need to write this down on a post it and stick it where you can see it every day. If you’re feeling stuck, it’s because you are. And so many people feel that. And when you pray or you ask God, universe, source or Your angels or your intuition? What’s my next step? What should I be doing? What’s my soul called for? I think people hear something. And I know for me as an entrepreneur, often it’s really small, right? Like, I see a bigger vision of where I’m going, but the first step that I need to take to get there is very, very small. And I see two things happen. People think the step is too small, so they don’t take it at all.

Julie Jancis [00:10:31]:
And sometimes people delay starting something that’s calling to their heart for 5, 10, 15, 20 years. And I find that when they go back and pray God, universe, source, what should I be doing with my life? They really hear that thing that they heard 20 years ago. And so I like to tell people, if your life is the Alphabet, A, B, C, D, E, F, G, all the way down to Z, you can’t just skip letters like your. Your life is unfolding, your consciousness is expanding. And so when you come back to it, you’re going to start at some place, work on that thing. But what I see entrepreneurs doing is running with life. So they’ve learned the key is that if they just go do that next thing that they feel called to do, it opens them up to the next piece, which open them up to the next piece, and life becomes really fun. When you’re following your heart, your intuition.

Grant Sabatier [00:11:31]:
Grows as you spend more time with it and pay more attention to it. I think there’s also this piece of just having enough space and time in your life to listen. And, you know, when we’re stressed about money or our family or our careers, you know, I always, I always say it’s like 90%, 95% of our brain is, is occupied by these things. And so when you’re living paycheck to paycheck, it’s very difficult to think about anything but that.

Julie Jancis [00:11:59]:
Right.

Grant Sabatier [00:11:59]:
And so a lot of people just spend their life kind of chasing the next dollar just because they have to. Right? So one of the first steps you can take is just saving six to 12 months of expenses. And that’s going to give you a little bit of breathing room in your life. And it’s great from a financial perspective, but from a life quality standpoint, when you’re not worrying and waking up stressed about money, there’s more space for other things to show up. And so I always talk about. And it’s even when you go further and you start making your own money and you’re not beholden to a boss or, you know, getting laid off from Amazon or the government or whatever, you’re just like stressed that you’re going to do something or upset someone, or not even upset someone, you’re just going to wake up and be redundant. And that’s, that’s the scary thing about AI, because it is going to replace jobs. And so you’re either learning it, figuring it out, figuring out how you’re going to use it, or it’s going to take your job.

Grant Sabatier [00:12:48]:
And so that’s, you know, there’s sort of optimism hidden within that, within the doom. But when you’re making money on your own and on your own terms, that, and you build some sustainability into your business. And so in the book I talk about these different levels of entrepreneurship and once you get to solopreneurship, it’s really all about building sustainability and trying to minimize the risk. And so how do you build sustainable income streams? How do you minimize the complexity in your business so that you can reclaim a little bit more breathing room in your life? Because as you reclaim more space like now, you know, I make money five or six different ways, you know, from investments. I’ve got a bookstore, I’ve got a holding company, I’ve got book royalty income from my Penguin Random House. I mean, I’ve got rental income, I’ve got money coming in that I really don’t even pay attention to until I do my taxes. It frees up the space in my life to, you know, I just got back from two weeks in Bali. You know, I was at a meditation retreat.

Grant Sabatier [00:13:42]:
I’m going to Paris and in the south of France in a couple of weeks. I’m, you know, I’m able to go to these places and move through life in a way that money itself just, you know, it’s important, the energy is important. I need to pay attention to it a little bit, but it frees up 90% of my brain to grow and expand as a human. And so you can start claiming that over time and when you do that, when you do create that time and space in your life, things start showing up. And so the best thing that I tell people, you know, just like the sort of, if you’re stuck, if you feel stuck, then you are, you have to have some space in your life, you have to have some meditation practice, some way to just get out of the house and get your own time, maybe take a trip, get away for a day. The best thing that you can do is get out of your day to day routine. Because when you’re locked in that routine, you know, our brains are like Little computers, right? It’s when we see the same thing every day. We’re literally asleep in our lives because our brain’s built around efficiency.

Grant Sabatier [00:14:41]:
And that’s why, you know, time moves so fast when you’re just in your day to day routine. But when you go on vacation, it feels like time lasts forever because time literally does expand. It’s something that expands and contracts based on your openness and presence to it. So when you’re on vacation, there’s more new things. You’re paying attention, you’re more aware. It’s forced presence in a lot of ways. And so you can create that in your day to day life by just mixing up your routine, going to new places, exposing yourself to new people. And just once you do that, then it’s like if you don’t know what you want to do with your life or what you want to create or what business, that’s normal.

Grant Sabatier [00:15:15]:
Everyone’s there, everyone’s afraid of starting something new, even successful entrepreneurs. But if you create enough space in your life and just give it time, and that’s what people don’t have, they don’t have that, they don’t have that patience. And there’s a difference between patience and complacency. You know, you do want to set a limit on this, right? It’s not like, oh, I’m going to think about this for the rest of my life. It’s like, no, I’m going to give myself some breathing room for the next three months. I’m not going to put any pressure on myself, but I’m really going to think hard about how I can quit my job and start something new, or how I can start something new on the side. And you give yourself that 90 day buffer and then you check in with yourself at the end of that 90 days and say, okay, was that enough time? Did I learn something? Have I made any choices? We’re really bad as humans at predicting the future, planning for the future, terrible at it. Terrible.

Grant Sabatier [00:15:59]:
So if you can break down the future into more digestible chunks as you’re talking about smaller decision making points, but even just things, what am I going to do the next 90 days? And how, how do I feel? And then paying attention to that. And I think the last thing I’ll say is a lot of people’s pain and struggle in life is simply the fact that they’re holding on to who they were and not letting themselves become who they can become. And our identity is our blanket, right? And someone like James Clear says, you know, habits are Our identity or our routines are identity and all these things. It’s like none of that is your identity. Identity is just a facade. It’s just something that we hold on to and wrap ourselves in to protect ourselves from being afraid of dying. I mean, it’s just. It’s just like we’re holding on to our minds when we should be opening our heart.

Grant Sabatier [00:16:46]:
And all the good stuff is not there. It’s not at the level of your identity. Because the only thing that’s changing in life is who you are. And so when you learn to pay attention to that and you get in touch with that, then the answers start to open up to you. It becomes a lot clearer what you need to do. And most people, they’re just. They’re holding on to something for way, way too long. So you have a career, a job title, you know certain things in your life, and you’re just always trying to map back and find purpose in who you think you are.

Grant Sabatier [00:17:15]:
But a lot of people, they’ve already changed or they’ve lost who they. Who they are. And then they wake up 20, 30 years as you’re talking about, and they look in the mirror and like, gosh, you know what happened in my life? There’s all these things I wanted to do and I haven’t done them. And so when you let go of your identity and you’re like, okay, I’m always changing what I like now, am I not? Like, in the future, how can I best set myself up to become the me that I’ve yet to become and not limit myself and not get stuck in a place that I won’t be able to become the fullest expression of a human that I can be.

Julie Jancis [00:17:48]:
Yeah, two things come to mind. I don’t know if I said this at the beginning, but I really feel like with the a, like AI this is going to be the rise of, like the small business or. I don’t know exactly what solopreneur means, but it almost feels like people who don’t have something of their own to make money on from themselves just starting something are almost going to be left behind. And then you see people who are starting things who do have a business of their own. And what I see is a lot of times to your point of what you were just saying, they keep trying to perfect and perfect and perfect what they’ve got, when in reality, what spirit is calling them to do is to evolve into the next step of their own entrepreneurship and to create something else. So I think in the past, where life Was about maybe perfecting a business. We’ve stepped out of that into a place where entrepreneurs can get one thing up and running and then the next year create an entirely new revis, new stream or like a new business and really think about creating like a new revenue stream almost every year. Right?

Grant Sabatier [00:19:08]:
Yeah, it’s a different mindset. It really is. And it’s scary at first. And for someone who’s not an entrepreneur, hasn’t been one, it sounds crazy. And that’s one of the reasons I wrote this book, because inner entrepreneur, it’s basically the idea that you’re an entrepreneur even if you don’t think that you are. It’s just important to figure out what kind of entrepreneur you are and what it means to you, because that’s the great thing. Entrepreneur used to mean something 10 years ago, and now it means whatever you want it to.

Julie Jancis [00:19:31]:
Well, it’s almost like you’re here, you’re as a soul, you’re here to serve and to help humanity just through who you uniquely are. And I think that that’s. That’s huge.

Grant Sabatier [00:19:42]:
Yeah, I mean that’s the X factor. So I talk about, you know, I’ve made a lot of money in my life, Sold companies, bought companies, had a lot of success, a lot more success than I ever thought I would. And for me, the magnifier of joy is in helping others. So once I turn, I made money. You know, I had a marketing agency and worked with business schools and you know, made a bunch of money, saved a bunch of money. But I didn’t like the work at all. It was just, you know, energy crushing, just I was tired all the time, traveling all the roads. So there’s a very different, different.

Grant Sabatier [00:20:10]:
There’s a big difference between kind of a energy draining business and an energy creating business. And when you have something that you truly love and that’s helping others, that’s the X factor. You realize it’s like not only does the universe reward you when you’re doing what you love, but it double rewards you when what you love is helping others. There’s, there’s something about, deep in human nature, I think it’s embedded in consciousness that the people who support others and help humans flourish, you know, it’s like survival mechanism get rewarded. You know, it’s the same thing like having a child. There’s massive biological benefits to having a kid. It’s very hard. It’s difficult.

Grant Sabatier [00:20:51]:
You know, it takes so much time, so much energy. But our species wants us to create new members of our species and so you get for all the pain and all the struggle and all the challenge, you get massive amounts of even just basic biological rewards. You’re able to unlock a level of life that’s different than if you hadn’t had kids. I’m not saying you should have kids or not, but that’s just. It’s the same thing with helping others where you do get rewarded. And so for me, that was the big factor was like, once I stopped serving myself and started serving others and helping. And now I’m fully in the mission driven phase of my life. You know, I write these books, I speak to college students, I have the bookstore.

Grant Sabatier [00:21:31]:
Bookstores are terrible businesses, but I wanted my community to have one. And I’m all about how, how can I give as much as possible to others? And my cup is already overflowing with love. Like everything that I’ve put out into the world, I’ve gotten back a hundredfold. So I don’t need any more love from the world. I just feel like life’s so hard and so challenging and most people were sold this bill of goods or weren’t taught how to think for themselves, that I just feel some level of responsibility to share what I figured out. Expecting nothing, right? And that there’s an element there too. I think when you don’t have expectations for what you’re creating and you just do it very purely, then it’s complete surrender.

Julie Jancis [00:22:15]:
Beautiful souls. This has been one of the hardest years and we’re still kind of in the thick of it. And I just wanted to take a moment and say thank you so incredibly much to everyone who financially supports my work. Truly, I could not do this, this work without you. And I am so, so beyond grateful. For those of you who do want to support my work, I do have a new sacred Women’s Circles. They’re all beginning, all of the circles. August 1st.

Julie Jancis [00:22:49]:
You can now sign up on my website, theangel medium.com then go to the Women’s Circles tab. Also, friends, I just read a report and this isn’t to scare you. The angels want to prepar. This report has talked about how over the next decade, 33% of all jobs in the US could be eliminated and 47% total could be disrupted due to new AI technology. Again, this isn’t to scare you, but your angels want you to be prepared. Friends, I would love, love, love to teach you the skills of being an angel, messenger, energy, healer and medium all in one at my Angel Reiki School. If you’ve been feeling called to serve Humanity or start your own healing business. Please do not wait.

Julie Jancis [00:23:45]:
This is your sign. Your angels are trying to work with you on a whole new level. Friends. A whole new Angel Reiki school begins online August 1st. And when you sign up this month for the online program, I’m gifting you free tuition to also attend in person at any of the three to four in person Angel Reiki schools that we’re going to have over the next 12 months. They’re always held in the Chicago suburbs because takes a few carloads to get all of the materials, massage tables that we use over there. Friends, the Angel Reiki school certifies you in all three modalities at once, giving you a really unique edge. Also, friends, one more thing.

Julie Jancis [00:24:32]:
If you love this podcast and want to support me, we’re starting a whole new course August 1st in the angel membership. It’s called release fear and step into your power. You can sign up for the sacred women’s circles, Angel Reiki school and the membership all on my website, theangel Medium. Com. If you want more info, use the contact form over@theangelmedium.com to submit your question. I read all of them and from the bottom of my heart, friends, I can’t thank you enough. Thank you for being here. Than you so much for supporting my work.

Julie Jancis [00:25:12]:
I truly couldn’t keep all of this going without you. So thank you, thank you, thank you. Now back to the show. When it comes to the business, I know what it’s like to run a service oriented business. What is it like to run businesses like the bookstore. You had mentioned before that bookstores aren’t always profitable. I totally get that. What has that journey been like for you?

Grant Sabatier [00:25:37]:
Yeah, so I moved to Columbus, Ohio from New York City. My wife’s a professor at Ohio State. Live in a really cute little area of town called Clintonville. It’s kind of like the Brooklyn of Columbus. A lot of. You know, right next door to my bookstore there’s a cobblery like, like the hippest Danish couple ever make these shoes. And it’s like the cutest thing on earth. And there’s like the little donut shop and there’s the vintage clothing stores and there’s the florist.

Grant Sabatier [00:26:01]:
And you know, it’s like, it’s like that. It’s like, it’s cool. It’s like Etsy came to life in a lot of ways. It’s like really funny. I love it, you know, it’s cute. It’s really cute. And I was like, gosh, you Know, like our neighborhood really needs a bookstore. And I love books.

Grant Sabatier [00:26:14]:
I’ve been collecting 20 years. I’m a writer. I really want our community to have a bookstore. But I was like, you know, bookstores are terrible businesses. No one’s just going to be able to start this up. You know, I have some money. I’m just going to put some of the royalty money from my book aside and try to open this bookstore. And so it took me about 1400 hours to open it.

Grant Sabatier [00:26:30]:
The happiest I was with the bookstore was just being alone, building it out and buying books and shelving them and realizing that, you know, I really love books. But there’s an energy in anything that you create, right? Whether it’s writing a book or. But building a space is different. It’s like the energy, your energy is embedded in it. You know, you’re making all these design choices. And for me, the bookstore is cool because I just believe that people encounter things when they need them and they get books, they find the book they need when they need it. And so I just felt called to facilitate the space where, you know, I’m buying a lot of new books, but we have a lot of used, a lot of antiquarian books. There’s just tons of stuff flowing through there and people just find things that they never knew existed and that, you know, will help them on their journey.

Grant Sabatier [00:27:15]:
And so I just felt inspired to do that. I have three full time employees. They have health insurance. Because I have three full time employees in health insurance. I don’t make any money. I’m breaking even. But, you know, we’ve only been in business six months. We’ve sold about 35,000 books.

Grant Sabatier [00:27:29]:
The community loves it. Everyone’s happy. My daughter loves hanging out there. I like hanging out there. I get exposed to so many amazing books and I bring all the best ones home. And so it’s, you know, it’s, you know, back to the soul level fulfilling. It’s like, oh, none of this is about the money. This is about just spending my time in a way that’s fun and doing one of those things that I’ve always wanted to do.

Grant Sabatier [00:27:54]:
But I’m the kind of person, it’s like a lot of people talk about wanting to open a bookstore and I actually, you know, I’m the kind of person who if I want to do something, I’ll do it. And so now I’m never going to have the regret of, hey, I didn’t try that bookstore. There’s a lot to learn. It’s kind of a never ending journey. But the rare books are really fun. So I’ve got a lot of really cool books that you know, are signed by famous people, owned by famous people. I’m getting a lot more of those books and those books themselves have energy. That’s the really cool thing.

Grant Sabatier [00:28:22]:
Like if you, you know, I have, you know, all of Jack Kerouac’s books that he owned on Buddhism. And so that’s one of the things where you know, it’s got, he writes notes in the margins, you know, he’s like very devout Catholic and, and Buddhist, follow a very spiritual band. And it’s really cool. It’s like you can feel the energy when you’re sitting with these books. You know, the, the, the essence is embedded within them. So that’s really cool. And it’s also fun I think in life to try something if you have the time and the resources. You know, I’m kind of in this next phase of life where it’s like, you know, I want to do something I’ve never done before, just to learn it, to try it.

Grant Sabatier [00:28:58]:
And because other people probably they might not be able to. So launching the business, it was so hard, took more money than I thought it would. And it’s really unfortunate because I wish a lot more people could have bookstores. You know, they’re more deserving than me. And so I was just like, gosh, you know, I’m might as well be the millionaire who moves into the neighborhood, who has a lot of free time, who launches the bookstore that doesn’t need to make money and that everyone can get benefit from because you know, I don’t know who else it would be because it’s just so, so difficult. And I think that when you fast forward post AI the, the. I do think the bookstore will make money at some point because people, I’m starting to see people getting tired of the Internet. I think people are really, really fatigued with Google.

Grant Sabatier [00:29:41]:
I’m very optimistic because you know, the 20 year olds that come in and collect like, you know, buy everything from like Jane Fonda’s workout book from 1980 to like you know, 100 year old Charles Dickens book. And you know, these are like 18 to 20 year old kids and they’re into the analog. You know, it’s like records, Records are still big but now people are buying VHS and cassettes and books. And so I’m, you know, the book’s been around for over 5,000 years. You know, I think, I think it’s.

Julie Jancis [00:30:09]:
Going to be all right you touched on something which I don’t think that very people, many people understand until they become an entrepreneur themselves, which is that sometimes I believe that the divine, the universe blesses us with a successful project, successful business in order to get those funds to start the divine next thing. And it’s not always about building this massive wealth pocket that’s never touched and it’s passed down. But I mean, I think every single entrepreneur that I know has taken the success that they’ve had and translated it either into nonprofit work or to another business that is helping and serving in some capacity like your bookstore. How can people kind of release the self limiting beliefs that they have? I find that people are their own biggest blockage. And so if you feel like this anti ness towards wealthy people, you’re really telling it the universe and putting it out into the universe that you don’t really want that to come in when that really isn’t the case for most people. They just don’t have a correct idea of what the life actually looks like.

Grant Sabatier [00:31:34]:
I mean money is just energy, just like anything else. We’re taught that it’s something that it really isn’t. And I think that I talk about this in the book too. Money masking. I think people just chase money because it’s what everyone else does and they don’t really have a purpose for it or reason for it. And then I think there’s other people, like you’re saying they just think it’s evil or bad. And it’s often people who think it’s evil or bad, it’s because, you know, they grow up thinking that way or they just have someone who’s wealthy around them that they despise or just, you know, or it’s just like, or they’ve got, they haven’t gotten a fair shake. So when you do, when you start surrendering, I think is the word you used to something larger and do something, do it purely.

Grant Sabatier [00:32:17]:
Right. I think people that do things with nefarious for nefarious reasons or you know, for vile reasons, you know, I think whether it’s, you know, you could say karma or just sort of, you know, bad vibes, like things don’t tend to work out for them. Right. So you have to do this purely. And you know, I can, I can feel your energy is very pure and that you’re doing this from a very, you know, deep place. And I think that when people do that, they get rewarded and then things just expand for them. Right. And it might not be the best business or it might not be the right thing forever, but nothing’s forever anyway.

Grant Sabatier [00:32:54]:
And I try to think in these five year blocks where it’s like, you know, I’m going to try this for the next five years at the bookstore. I don’t have to do this forever, right? I’m gonna try this for five years. I’m gonna give my all to it. I’m gonna give back. If it’s super exhausting and I don’t get a lot of fulfillment from it, and it’s just taking away from other areas of my life, then I’ll stop doing it. But, you know, it’s worth trying. And then the money itself is just, you know, it’s like that great Kanye west lyric where it’s like, you know, having money is not everything. Not having it is.

Grant Sabatier [00:33:24]:
It’s like when you don’t have it, it’s like what you think about when you do have it. It’s just an energy that you use, but you do have to spend time to build a relationship with it. And I do think that making money on your own changes how you think about money because you’re like, wow, I earned this on my own. And that sort of limiting mindset belief. This is the great thing when you have a steady job and a paycheck and you know, you advocate for 3% raises and you know how much money you’re making is largely driven by someone else, right? And you might do a great job and your boss might not care, shareholders might not care. Because every company is pretty much a legal pyramid scheme. It’s like the people at the top want to make the money. It’s like capitalism is built on exploitation.

Grant Sabatier [00:34:03]:
So when you’re just working in the grind, you’re going to feel that, right? You’re going to get exploited in some way and you’re never going to feel fully valued. But when you make money on your own terms, then it’s like, maybe I can always do this, or maybe I can make more than I thought, or maybe I have more power here, or maybe I. You know, it’s very empowering, right? It’s like, it’s like, why do you want your life to be driven by someone else? Or why do you want 80% of your waking hours to be dictated by a job that you have to go to and have to show up somewhere and then just not have an option or not have a choice? And so, yeah, super empowering. You know, it’s like when you’re a kid and you have a lemonade stand, you make like, you know, $5 and you’re like, wow, I did that on my own. A lot of people kind of lose that, you know, but that’s really what it’s about. And, yeah, yeah, it’s very, very, very empowering and just a remarkable time. Right, because 50 years ago, none of this would. I mean, 20 years ago, none of this would have been possible.

Grant Sabatier [00:35:03]:
It’s just everything is just getting more and more accessible, and then there’s more and more niche audiences. I mean, it’s just you can reach people who are into what you’re into and then find ways to monetize it in ways that didn’t exist before. I mean, it used to all be about even, let’s say, online content creators. Just, you know, the Kylie Jenner and Kim Kardashian. It was like the massive influencer. And, like, yeah, they sell their makeup companies for billions of dollars and they’re going to get that. But now companies really want to tap into the micro influencer, right? They want to get those niche audiences. They want to form meaningful partnerships.

Grant Sabatier [00:35:34]:
And trust is a lot easier to build, you know, with a smaller audience. And there’s a lot of ways that you can serve your audience and monetize without exploiting them. And they’ll understand if you’re open and honest, and they’ll value that you’re trying to make money, and they’ll buy your courses and they’ll buy your books, and they’ll show up at your retreats and they’ll, you know, buy your products or click on your affiliate links when they trust you. And that trust, you know, has to come from an authentic place. And so that’s cool, because, you know, you can reach people that you never would have been able to reach with your message.

Julie Jancis [00:36:08]:
And it’s worth trying when it comes to this. I remember the first time that I set up my own thing. I set up a nonprofit after my daughter was born because she almost passed away twice in her first year from the syndrome that she was born with. And I knew that if other parents had the information that I had learned going through this experience, that other kids wouldn’t pass away. So I started a foundation for kids going through that. I remember when my husband. Because I did it all for a couple of years, just not getting paid a single dime, just starting it from a place of, like, this information just needs to be out in the world for these kiddos and parents. My husband came to me and he’s like, you have to go back to work, because, like, we can’t make this work.

Julie Jancis [00:36:58]:
Anymore. So I handed it over to a board and I felt this deep sadness. Like I had this idea in my head that God universe just has, like one purpose for you. Right. And when that purpose is over, then it’s done. And I remember thinking, okay, well, is God going to take my life now? Because I know I was supposed to start this foundation, like that was my purpose. And I ended up going to an angel reader myself before I even got into this work. And she goes, oh, no, no, no.

Julie Jancis [00:37:31]:
That’s a misconception within your mind. You think that you only have one purpose, but really you have purpose after purpose after purpose. Like we’ve been talking about. Have you seen that in other people? Where we think that we’ve just got one thing and that when we do that one thing, like, we’re done, Is.

Grant Sabatier [00:37:48]:
That common destiny is what you create, what you align with. It doesn’t already exist. I think we have moments in our life, like I talked about, where you have opportunities to wake up and, you know, you’re given ways to see the world. It’s like when you’re a kid, you’re very pure, you know, you see the world very purely. Right. You’re not like, you know, you don’t have any of these illusions. Right. It’s like life is just play.

Grant Sabatier [00:38:10]:
And I think as people get older, they get hardened and it’s just more difficult to play and more difficult to see those things. But, you know, it’s kind of like as we get older, then it becomes, you know, it can become a little easier to play once you realize that there’s so much yet so little at stake in life. And oftentimes it’s like, you know, like. Like you’re talking about, you know, your daughter having an illness or, you know, a parent dying or us, you know, confronting our own mortality. It’s often those moments when we realize how beautiful life is and what a gift we have here and that the things that we worry about or that we worry will happen are really quite small and we don’t have to diminish them. But when you look at the grand scheme of things that we’re here in, our purpose is to discover who we are and to enjoy our lives. That’s our purpose in life.

Julie Jancis [00:39:07]:
Yeah.

Grant Sabatier [00:39:08]:
And so that’s what you’re here for, and you need to do that.

Julie Jancis [00:39:13]:
Yeah.

Grant Sabatier [00:39:14]:
Right. And that means that can be whatever you want it to. Just do that and just enjoy it. And I think people, they don’t feel like they have the permission to do that, you know, no, One’s told them that they’ve told, been told to do, to stay in line. You know, they’ve been told to mind them, to do everything for themselves, right? Especially in the U.S. it’s like self reliance run amok. It’s like you have to do everything in the world yourself. And it’s like, no, when you look back in history, people were supported by their family and friends and community, right? It’s like you didn’t have to shoulder the burden of existence on your own.

Grant Sabatier [00:39:53]:
And I think that because we move away from our families because, you know, everyone is just stuck on their phones in a lot of ways. We’ve lost a lot of that, that intimacy, that, that, that connection, that sharing. And so, you know, going full circle here, I, I think community is currency. You know, I, I think that the people who are able to best recognize what it means to be human and then live that way, live, live with their true nature. Happiness comes. It’s, it’s, it’s a default. It’s, it’s, it’s just, it’s something that happens to you. You know, like, you know, I, I, in the book, you know, I talk about how peace, you find peace when you’re in alignment with what you love, it just shows up.

Grant Sabatier [00:40:43]:
It’s not, it’s not fleeting, it just shows up. It’s just you’re surrounded by people that you love. And I think this is the other thing is people. I’ve had the opportunity to speak to so many thousands of people and talk to them and coach people and you know, so many people, they’re so much closer to a life that they love than they realize, right? It’s just we’re born thinking there’s this lack of right, or that happiness is somewhere outside or that someone else in our life is going to make us happy, right? But a lot of people, you know, they have family they love and friends they love. And maybe their job’s a little stressful, but they get to hang out with their friends on the weekend. And I think it’s, people are like a couple of steps away from that perfect thing. And in a lot of cases, people already have what they seek. They just, they’re just, they just don’t see it clearly, right? They’re just, they’re looking out there.

Grant Sabatier [00:41:35]:
It’s just like, I’ll be happy one day or one day it will all make sense, or maybe one day I’ll arrive. There’s somewhere I need to get or some level of money. And I think true, true, true peace, true True enlightenment is about seeing what’s really there.

Julie Jancis [00:41:55]:
Yeah.

Grant Sabatier [00:41:55]:
Right. It’s about recognizing that this is all heaven.

Julie Jancis [00:42:00]:
Yeah.

Grant Sabatier [00:42:01]:
This. It’s not some place, it’s this, you know, and. And that’s hard to do. You know, I’m saying this like. Like, it’s easy to do. Very, very difficult to do when, you know, you’re on the nine to five grind. And, you know, I spend all of my time sort of opening to the world and thinking about this. Right.

Grant Sabatier [00:42:24]:
And. And. And it’s a struggle for me at times, but. But it’s very hard in our society to truly find peace. But there’s a path there, and the path is much easier if you get out of your own way and you save some money, create your own income streams, buy back some of your time, create more space in your life. Then. Then it starts to blossom. You know, the colors start to become a bit more vibrant and things become a little clearer and things start to make sense.

Grant Sabatier [00:43:07]:
And that’s what my. My. My heart is very, very broken for people who. They. They have everything. They just. They just can’t. They just can’t see it yet, you know?

Julie Jancis [00:43:20]:
Yeah.

Grant Sabatier [00:43:22]:
And that’s my hope, is that. Yeah. My hope is that they do. So this is your life. I mean, what. This is it. Like, this is. This is.

Grant Sabatier [00:43:33]:
This is it. There’s no. There’s no other chance. And so what are you. What are you waiting for? Like, what. What else are you waiting for?

Julie Jancis [00:43:41]:
As we are coming into this new age, the other thing that I’m seeing is we’re. And it kind of freaks me out because I’m just not used to it. I don’t know much about it. And maybe you kind of help point all of us in the right direction, because I’m just not educated. And as soon as we become educated and understand it, it becomes easier. Are we headed more towards a digital currency? And if so, can you explain to people, like, what that means and where we can get educated on that? Is it safe just yet to invest in that? Is it going to become safer? And what does that mean, too, our government?

Grant Sabatier [00:44:18]:
And this is. This is one of the things that they’re being smart about. Right. They’re creating a digital currency reserve. And as soon as that started happening at the government level, the reason they’re doing that is not so they can, you know, hoard all of the cryptocurrency. It’s. So what they’ve done is they’ve taken something that’s fundamentally decentralized and they’ve centralized It. So cryptocurrency, the promise of cryptocurrency, really no longer exists because the US Government can dictate how we use money.

Julie Jancis [00:44:49]:
Right.

Grant Sabatier [00:44:49]:
They could make it. They could make it. They could make it. Yeah. They could make it illegal for us to possess cryptocurrency. They could tax it at extremely high rates. And, you know, at the end of the day, we all have to file taxes. We have to, you know, declare our cryptocurrency assets.

Grant Sabatier [00:45:04]:
And so there’s no. Unless you’re really, really living off the grid and living outside of society. You know, then. Then you can make, maybe use crypto, you know, to live that way. But the government employs people who can track where the funds go. They’re tracking, you know, the. They find out who has these wallets, who owns it. So the promise that everything is going digital, I don’t think will ever happen.

Grant Sabatier [00:45:35]:
The US Government won’t let that happen because then the government loses power, and the government. The US Government’s too powerful. With that being said, there’s a limited amount of bitcoin out there, and it’s all going to be mined fairly shortly. So I don’t think everything will turn to digital currencies. What I do think will become useful is just like having a store of gold, like people who buy gold, cryptocurrencies like that. It’s just an alternative asset that you can own that might appreciate and that you should maybe have 1 to 3% of your net worth in.

Julie Jancis [00:46:13]:
I mean, it’s like diversifying your income.

Grant Sabatier [00:46:16]:
Exactly. Just diversifying your investments. Right. It’s just something. It’s like, oh, it’d be nice to have this. I do think people have gotten lucky and bought, you know, crypto when it was down. But I mean, that’s highly speculative. It’s just like people gambled and they won, you know, and congratulations, that’s great.

Grant Sabatier [00:46:36]:
But will that continue? Why speculate? You know, with your, you know, entire financial future. I mean, people are always going to bet it all on a horse, you know, or in Vegas. And so, you know, they’re going to be able to do that, you know, so I wouldn’t worry about cryptocurrency. I don’t think there’s anything anyone is going to miss out on. You’re not going to. All of a sudden everyone’s using Bitcoin and you don’t have any. That’s not going to be the way it works. Just the people who have it might be really, really rich just as they are.

Grant Sabatier [00:47:11]:
Right. It’s why 19 year olds buy 20 million dollar houses. And you know, those things will happen just like they always have though, you know, people have always been really speculative. It’s just, you know, do you want to put all of your hard earned money on that and risk your future freedom on something? And I just view it as a hedge and diversifying. But the tried and true investment path of total stock market index fund and real estate investing and just having a diversified portfolio and trying to focus on your income and maximizing the percentage of your income that you’re saving, all those tried and true principles work. I do think that most people should be saving a much higher percentage of their income just to buy more of their future freedom. And you know, I’ve written a lot about that.

Julie Jancis [00:47:58]:
Amazing. And agreed on that last point. Your book, the Inner A proven path to profit and peace grant, tell everybody where they can find that and where they can find you and your podcast.

Grant Sabatier [00:48:11]:
Yeah. So rant sabate on Instagram. I’ve written two books. The first one’s called Financial Freedom. It’s in 21 languages. It’s kind of the primer. It’s like the financial independence piece. So it’s the personal finance book that I wrote and then the entrepreneurship book, Inner Entrepreneur.

Grant Sabatier [00:48:27]:
You don’t have to have read the first book. It functions independently, but it’s very, you know, it builds on the first one. So, you know, these, these are, it’s kind of a way to think about the world. And I’m currently writing a book on meditation that should come out in two years with Penguin. So that’s the third book. And then I don’t know if I’m gonna write any other books. I think that’s the hey, here’s how I think you should live trilogy. And yeah, come if you’re ever in Columbus, Ohio, come to Clintonville Books.

Grant Sabatier [00:48:50]:
Come say hi and yeah, thanks for having me on.

Julie Jancis [00:48:55]:
Of course, Grant. Come back when your meditation book comes out. We’d love to have you back.

Grant Sabatier [00:48:59]:
Thanks, Julie. Nice meeting you.

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