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Transcript:
 Hello, beautiful souls. Welcome back to the angels and awakening podcast. I’m your host and author Julie Jancius and friends today. We have none other than Tony winner, Kelly Bishop here to talk about her new book, the third Gilmore girl. Yes. You know, her as Emily Gilmore on Gilmore girls, the mom and dirty dancing, which I’ve got an angel story to go along with that.

Um, but Kelly, welcome to the show.

It’s so nice to be here. Thank you for asking. I like the idea of your show. It’s wonderful.

Oh, thank you. Um, you know, every, uh, Monday we do an interview and then every Thursday we tell an angel story. And I just believe that our loved ones, uh, when they pass to the other side, they are still So close, so connected to us.

Um, and I gotta tell you, my grandma’s favorite movie was Dirty Dancing. She loved you. Um, and my grandfather looked like your husband in that movie. Oh,

wow.

That’s great. Isn’t wild. Yeah. Um, I swear she would almost start crying every time she heard like the song, uh, in the radio, uh, at the end when you guys are all in the ballroom.

Um, but I’m so excited to have you here. You, um, are, are Tony winner. You were in a chorus line and, uh, and now you’ve got this new book and you really are a very spiritual person. You talk about, uh, being spiritual, not religious. Um, And you also talk about kind of big grief, uh, the biggest grief of losing your mom, your biggest fan, um, and getting signs from her.

And I wondered if you could tell our listeners more about. Your mom and the signs you get

well, I don’t know. I mean, I wish you would visit more or be more evident. Now. It’s been so many years. It’s been well over 20 years. Um, uh, I just, uh, I kind of carry her with me. I can’t say specifically right off hand any signs that I see, you know, in, in current life, but, um, Uh, she’s so with me.

I talk about her all the time. And I, I feel this way that, you know, as we talk about those who have passed to the other side, you know, we keep them alive. We keep them with us and we give them lots of room to come by and visit, uh, if nothing else, just a dream. And I haven’t even dreamt about it for a while.

So I, I don’t have any real definitive answer on the signs, uh, just such a, a constant force in my. being. Uh, she, she always was, she always will be. And I actually look forward to seeing her again.

Yeah. You know, one of the parts I found so interesting about your book is that when you talked about losing your mom and losing your second husband, who, um, was just your partner in this life, you talked about, uh, when you lost mom, you kind of had to keep busy to almost avoid the grief, but when you lost your husband, you more so had to sit with it.

And, um, I wondered if you could explain that too, because it just hits your heart so powerfully. I think we’ve all been there. How those two experiences are so different from one another.

Well, with my mom, first of all, I was, uh, I was only 49. She, she was 76 and it was a surprise. Uh, I mean, she did have heart disease.

She had a pacemaker, but she took good, good care of herself. Uh, so, when that happened, and she knew what she did, I mean, she was a very bright woman, what she was doing out there, I know exactly what she was doing, shoveling the snow, and she knew better than that. I think what she felt was that she was alone, she was a widow, and it was quite, terribly cold, uh, winter, a lot of ice storms, and I think she thought, well, I’m alone, nobody else can do this.

So she decided to shovel the driveway herself when it turns out after she passed, I spoke to her neighbor, uh, about who they have shoveled their, uh, snow. She just assumed it was the woman’s husband who’s not a young man. And there was, um, there was a foster home for boys, uh, up the hill from the house.

And she said, we just called the foster home. And, you know, we, uh, two or three guys come over and they’re always happy to get the money. My mother, it never occurred to my mother. To ask her. She just assumed. I’m alone. I can’t do it. There’s I don’t have a man. I’ll have to do it myself. And she gave herself a heart attack.

Uh, and, uh, so that whole thing was stunning. She managed to hold on until my brother made it across country, uh, so that she was still with us, uh, of course, in intensive care. Until, you know, she saw him and then she stayed with us overnight and they called me in the morning and they said, if you want to see your mom, you have to come over right away and we didn’t make it in time.

Um, so, uh, what I did after mom died is, I mean, I was so devastated. It was just something I hadn’t factored in. And, uh, I actually worked. I went out to California at one point and shot a pilot and I You know, of course, was arranging her memorial service. Uh, and I just did keep myself busy and it wasn’t until a year later, I just mentioned this to someone who lost her father.

It took a whole year. Uh, that I, I, the first time I laughed during that period was maybe three or four months later over just one, some little thing. And I, I was so surprised to hear myself laugh, but I just kept plugging away and moving on. And when I got to the one year anniversary, And moved on from there, I suddenly discovered everything was better.

And, because I would do last year at this time, this is the way I felt, and this year, I’m a little better. So, that’s when I said to my husband, I said, I think the Victorians were right. We should dress in black for a full year, do a full year of mourning, and then come out of it. Because it, it did take that year.

You know, as you know, like every Mother’s Day, every holiday and birthdays, you know, it just hits you harder and harder. Now with my husband, with Lee, of course, I watched him dying, um, and we knew it was going to happen. He was actually in, uh, I remember the day that the doctor said, I’m signing you up for hospice, you know, and that’s when I, of course, as you know, insisted that he’d be home.

So I was just, um, Coping with that as best I could. Uh, and he only was in the hot, I finally, he, he fell out of the bed. And so I had to get a hospital bed, put it into the office where I’m sitting now, uh, you know, facing a big window where he could look out and he was only there one night, he died the next day.

So, uh, and I’ve heard that story before from people that their loved one was. Only they’re in the hospital bed for one night. Uh, and then of course, I tell you the story about watching him commune with something, uh, you know, uh, it was very clear that he, he was very focused and I thought, I’m just. This is none of my business.

I’m, I’m just leaving him alone. Uh, so, and of course losing him, I expected to, and I knew I couldn’t prepare for it. You can’t. Sure. Uh, and I just, um, it happened, you know, so, uh, he, he, communes with me a little more often. Uh, I think, you know, he, uh, and I light a candle every night. I always have, uh, in this one room where it’s safe.

Um, I, I light a white candle just to invite the spirits in, you know, good spirits, you know, come. Come join us. Uh, I don’t know. Usually when I light the candle, I say, hi, Lee, how you doing? Please, you know, please come visit and bring, bring your friends with you. And, uh, and I miss you. I talk to him all the time.

I think about him all the time. Uh, it’s, uh, it’s just amazing. He’s just so much a part of my life still.

Well, you know, it’s so funny cause my listeners, I’ve heard this story over and over again. They probably get sick of it, but, um, other people haven’t. And he’s saying to tell it to you right now, because I think it’s going to help.

for you. Um, but I always thought when I watched medium shows or my grandma and I would always watch Sylvia Brown on like Montel Williams. And, um, I always figured that when they were talking to loved ones on the other side, that they were hearing in the person’s voice. So like if Lee is talking to you, I thought that you would be hearing from him within your mind in the way he really sounded when he was here.

Um, yeah. But my dad passed away and, and he had a lot of fun in this lifetime. He was always cheating in some way or another. So I wasn’t talking to him at the time, like holding a moral grounds and, uh, and he passed very unexpectedly. At 59, I was 33 and I had a little girl. Um, I, every time I would brush her hair in the morning, I would hear in my own internal dialogue, like it sounded like my own voice.

Um, And, and it just said, she needs a hairbrush. Like I use, she needs a hairbrush, like I use, and you know, from reading scripts, you know, how you would talk in the first person, you know, like the vernacular that you would use traditionally. And I was like, she needs a hairbrush. Like I used a, why is this repeating so much?

I only use this big old black. time. And like, what is this voice talking about? So I started to think I was going crazy because seriously, all my month long, I would hear this when brushing her hair. And, uh, it, it turns out his family, um, had to track us down because my name had changed and it took them an entire month to find me.

But the voice started the day that he passed and Uh, when I heard I saw this vision out of my third eye of my dad combing my hair with his hairbrush, a wooden handlebar, boars bristles. And I go, Oh my God, my dad’s been talking to me. He used to brush my hair every day before school. And my kiddo has his hair.

Um, yes. So Lee wants you to know that he talks back to you, but you hear him through your own intuition. through your own inner voice.

Mm-hmm . I believe that. Yeah. And one of the things I, I did, do you know when, uh, I had to get some new, uh, telephone receivers? So the, the ones we had were old, but the one in the kitchen is, uh, has, uh, the, the voicemail on it and it, and the, uh, the greeting.

And Lee did it. He recorded it. I mean, literally. 30 years ago. And so when it was time to replace that, uh, set, I said, no, I don’t want to, because I want to hear his voice. And I said, well, maybe we, maybe we can record it on the new one. I said, I don’t even want to mess with it. Just leave it as it is. So when the phone rings and I, it’s not something I want to answer.

I, it’s that same message. Hi, Lee and Kelly, or otherwise, and the whole thing is so nice to actually hear. His voice, because I find though we remember so much of what they say and conversations that we’ve had with them, it’s very hard to retain the voice, you know, just the voice. And so I keep that. And I remember someone called me not long after he had passed away and said, you know, Lee’s Lee’s voice is still on the answering machine.

I said, yes, it is. And it’s going to stay there forever. Oh, I made a terrible mistake. I’m going, no, no, no, that’s, that’s, that’s my, that just makes me feel better. But yeah, I know, uh, I just refer back to him all the time, something good or bad happens. I think, how would Lee have felt about it or, you know, so I, I know that he’s probably telling me himself, you know, uh, yeah.

Yes,

absolutely. You know, we had a, a thing that happened in our family too, where I would call him like my adoptive grandpa. Um, he was at the end of life in hospice and he kept wanting to get up to put on his tux and shine his shoes. He kept talking about a party on the other side that he had to go to, um, and who he was.

Um, I know that you talk about Lee like communicating, um, with the other side at the end of passing. Did he have a similar experience or, or did he talk about who he was seeing?

He didn’t. And I didn’t ask him, it happened rather rapidly that after I experienced, you know, watching him, uh, commune, uh, and I went out of the room cause I thought I’ve got to leave it.

And then a caregiver. that I wasn’t expecting that particular day. And it was a man who’d never been there before. He was, uh, he was, uh, African American man and his name was Samson, which is, I thought I’ve never heard of anyone named Samson before, but anyway, he came in, he said, you know, I brought him in to see Lee and who was sleeping.

And, uh, we talked, he talked about would you like to maybe bathe him, I said, oh, that would be lovely, so I said, and so we got the things, and I stood on, on, we stood on either side of the bed facing each other, and I said, you just tell me what to do, and I’ll, I’ll follow your instructions, and he said, okay, and I looked at Lee, and he just looked kind of Gray.

I mean, he was, he was sleeping this whole time, or seemed to have been sleeping. And so that’s when I reached under the covers, and of course he was still warm, and I felt his, for his pulse on his wrist, and I couldn’t find it. And I looked at Samson, and I said, I can’t find a pulse. And so he did basically the same thing.

And then he also looked for the pulse in the, in the temple, like they know. And then he shook his head, you know, and I said, I think he left. And I remember saying that not because I didn’t want wanted to say, I think he died. I think he left. I think his spirit, his soul just flew up. And I even remember looking up.

To the, to the corner of the ceiling, you know, because you always hear that they hover for a while up there in the, in the, the top of the room. And, uh, I just said, uh, okay, I love you. Be free. Cause that’s what I felt it was. He, he wanted to live. He, his body simply could not sustain. His his soul anymore. It was he was just too beat up by this cancer.

This is all these cancers And so I always think of him as just kind of flying out the window and I what I got When a couple of weeks later, I asked a medium to come over to my house who I’d known and she She was hearing a lot from him a lot. I know it was there So and she also said my mom was around the house.

So I, yeah, I got a lot from her, so I kind of like to have her come back and see how he’s doing, but she called it on, he, she told me he walked in the door, uh, and there were all these guys, she said a lot of guys, and they were cheering and clapping and patting him on the back, and then she said he, he walked over to a woman sitting in a chair, and he picked up a crown and put it on her head, and she said, that’s his mom, I think, and then at one point she said, he’s, he’s sitting in the seat, Kind of it’s like a cart.

He’s sitting on a cart. I said, that’s a golf cart. He loves golf. That’s exactly what he’s doing You know, uh, but then there were other things that he was telling her that uh That she truly didn’t, you know, didn’t even know quite where she was going with it. And I would kind of fill it in that she was doing.

I go, no, that’s right. That’s right. Yeah. Good. So it gave me great comfort to, to know that he really was there. And I totally believe that. I think that we’re, I think we’re so close to each other, this side and the other side. I don’t even know how many feet it would be. I’d say maybe, maybe. 10 yards or something like that.

So, uh, I, yeah, he’s just the one thing I do tell people, you know, when someone passes and they’re so devastated and I had to say it to myself, as I said, but you had him and you had the experience of him. Think of that. Think of the, the blessing that was. That’s the most important part. I mean, he’s gone. I can’t do anything about it.

But. I had him. So that’s that’s a gift.

I’m just pausing because I, I get so like ruminated in my thoughts. Sometimes I, I love my husband so much. I know that you loved Lee so much. It just, it’s almost painful now to even think about. You know, you just feel when you’re younger that everything is going to last for forever.

And, um, I’m starting to get into my mid forties here and, and it’s different. It feels different.

Hopefully you’ll have tons of time left. You probably will. It’s just, uh Uh, you know, you can’t prepare for it, as I said, I mean, I even kind of tried to get my mind around it, and I, and I knew darn well, even as I did that, this is before he passed, that there was no way I was going to be able to do that, that you can’t feel something that profound until it’s actually happened to you.

Uh, and I, you know, every once in a while, I just get so blue about the whole thing, so sad, uh, and feel so deprived. And, you know, being a widow and I said, you know, poor me, poor me. And I said, I stopped myself and I go, yeah, you and a hundred million other women, the only one who’s ever experienced this.

This is the way it is, you know, have to move on, move on.

Yeah. Well, I like and I like what you said about the Victorian era. I think you’re right. I think that they had so much right in, you know, past traditions, um, that, uh, we can really call forward again today and, and use, um, you know, in the book, uh, the third Gilmore girl, you also talk about Ed Herman, your husband on Gilmore girls who played your husband and, uh, you talk about how.

Um, he passed, but they wrote him his passing into a four part series that you guys did. And you felt like he was really on the set with you.

He yeah, I did and I remember even doing that because he had passed away Before we started filming him. And of course, I’m I knew that My whole storyline would be radically different from what it had been in when Gilmore Girls was running.

And I even remember thinking to myself, because Lee was not well, I mean, he hadn’t been for years. He’d, you know, he’d get better and everything would be fine. He’d play golf and then he’d get diagnosed with another cancer. And I thought, is this a rehearsal? You know, is this some sort of a rehearsal I’m doing and, and shooting this, uh, this show, you know, and dealing with the character, you know, being a widow, but someone pointed out to me and I had forgotten this when we went on the set of the Gilmore house.

And into the, from the dining room into the living room. And we were, um, we weren’t acting then. I mean, we were probably there for, uh, camera blocking or whatever. Uh, but, but there were, you know, uh, Lauren and Alexis and Amy and all these people were there in the same place. And I said, um, I, I’m hoping that, that Ed is with us.

And I said, Ed, please, please hang around with us. We need you here. And I said, let us know, okay? And I’d forgotten this. The lights all went out. All over the set. The entire place just went black for like two seconds and then they all came back on and I said, he’s here.

He’s here.

Yeah, wonderful man.

Delightful guy.

That’s amazing. Oh my gosh. Well, I, I just know that he’s always. with you. Um, and right there filming. That’s amazing. You know, you also talk in the book about intuition and again, going back to, I really believe that that intuition is our guardian angels, you know, our angels, our loved ones coming through.

Um, you have this story you have to tell about when the tree fell and you listened.

Yeah. Well that was just amazing. This happens to me fairly often. Actually it happened the other day. It was very, very windy. The weather’s terrible here. It’s so cold. But I was driving, this was last week, and I was driving down the street and it was extremely windy.

And this large thing, and I don’t know if it was like a fabric or if it was a big piece of metal. I have no idea. It was white and it was about eight feet long. And it swooped right down right and, and crossed my car. It didn’t at all hit the car. But it was like, it swooped down right over the hood of my car and kept blowing someplace.

And as I’m driving, I looked at it and I said, Thank you. Thank you. That’s what I did with the tree. I mean, when we were, my dog and I were walking on this path after a hurricane and there was a lot of damage there and she was off the leash and I’m walking along with her and all of a sudden this incredibly large branch but it was the size of a tree.

It was just these old oak trees around here, really massive. Um, But it was, it was really heavy. It fell down. It was about 20 feet ahead of me. Wow. And it fell straight down and hit the ground so hard that it actually bounced up again and went down. I mean that, I don’t know what that thing would have weighed, but it would have killed us both.

And I, I stopped and the dog stopped and I, I stood there for a minute and then I looked up and I said, Thank you. Thank you so much. It’s, uh, that’s, I’ve felt so protected most of my life because things come close, but, um, I’ll have to knock a little wood down, uh, but don’t actually happen. I, and I just, uh, I’m so grateful for that.

Uh, it’s like the, and the story I told about my, who I think was my guardian angel who kissed me.

Yes. I was going to ask about that next.

Yeah, that was, uh, I’ve. I would love to know what my guardian angel’s name is, um, but I don’t. Uh, so do you want to know about that one? I do, yes. It’s in a book because I, it was one of the most unique experiences I ever had.

It was almost like a dream except it really happened. And I was standing on the street in the evening having been at a concert in Central Park. And I was waiting for the Crosstown bus to get me back to my dreary, grim apartment. And I was, you know, empty, feeling very empty. Uh, I’d had a nice time with my friends.

And I’m just standing there, again, existing, basically. And this young guy, there were like seven or eight people, you know, at the bus stop. You know, hanging around, waiting for the bus. And this young man comes along. A nice looking guy, uh, and, uh, he just walked up to me, he took my face in his hands, and he kissed me.

I mean, really kissed me. And I didn’t, uh, try to stop him, and I, in a sense, I guess I kissed him back. I certainly accepted the kiss. And then, he, uh, continued on. After the kiss and he walked down the street, I didn’t look back, I didn’t watch him leave. I should have. I would like to have known where he went or if he disappeared, I don’t know.

But I didn’t, I just stood there kind of blinking my eyes. And then I turned and I saw all the people standing there at the bus stop and they’re looking at me like, What? And I didn’t say anything. I thought, well, that was amazing. And then as years went by, I started thinking, I think that was my guardian angel.

And he saw me and he saw my sadness and he felt like I needed a kiss. So he gave me one. It was wonderful.

Yes. You know, when you were asking about the Guardian angel’s name, um, I felt like it was almost like a, a play off of, um, the name Michael, but it’s Mickel, M-I-K-E-L. Um, and uh, so when I tune in, that’s what, uh, that’s what I get.

But you know, there,

that’s what you get. That’s wonderful.

Yeah, Mikel. Um, there’s so many stories too of that happening. I’ve got a close friend who’s also a healer and she was traveling alone in, in Europe. And, uh, she was at, you know, the train stations over there, they’re just massive. And sometimes when you don’t know the language, it’s confusing.

Very. Yeah.

Yes. Um, so she, she was at the wrong train and this man just comes running up to her out of nowhere. Um, and you know, there’s not that many people on the trade track. She’s like, it’s just me and him. And he just comes up and he’s like, you’re on the wrong train. You’re on the wrong train. You have to go to track so and so.

And she’s like, I wasn’t with anybody. I hadn’t asked anybody for directions. There’s no possible way. Like he would have known, but he was right. She had to get on a different train. So I think it’s fascinating how they come through in different. Ways of right when we need them.

It’s a minute. Yeah. Yeah. And that, that actually gives me great comfort.

I have, as I’ve said, uh, to many people, I have a lot of faith. I’m I’m along with you. I don’t do religion anymore. I was, you know, raised in the church and then I converted to Judaism and nobody really cared one way or the other. And I realized what my whole thing was, is, is the spiritual and I feel very strongly about it.

I feel protected. I really, so many things have happened that make me think, Oh, you know, somebody’s watching out for me. Uh, and I, uh, that’s where my faith is so strong. Um, and I hope that I get messages, you know, and that’s where I really listen to my intuition as well. Uh, because we do know things and, and, and I think I agree with you that someone or some.

People or our spirit or whatever are communicating with us by going through our intuition. And if your intuition says don’t do it, don’t do it. I mean, you know, even if it turns out like I just use the example of walking down a dark street by yourself. If you start to walk down the street, even if you know it and it doesn’t feel right, turn around and take a different street.

Because it didn’t feel right

for sure. Um, no, I think that’s amazing. And you know what? I really believe that from the bottom of my heart, that if everybody in life was listening to that voice within, we’d have so much more love, so much less hate and just all be. Comfortable on our own paths, not trying to control one another.

I love where you said before, you know, your friend said, uh, you know, you still got Lee on the voicemail and you’re like, yeah, he’s going to stay there for forever. Amen. Like that’s perfect.

And I remember after my mom passed too, this was very strange and we were down in Delaware and that was the house that she was living in, that she, that Lee and I had.

And of course we, we were there because, you know, and she had just passed away. Uh, and she had, she had a cat and, uh, uh, a dog and two cats and we had a dog and two cats. So we pushed all the animals together and basically just lived in that house for a year. And I had gone, I think now it had been a few months.

Uh, and I’d gone up to New York on the train and had come back and there was an answering machine there that was her answering machine. They were fairly new in those days. And, uh, so there were a few messages and about the third message as it came up. I’m telling you, this is where it makes me, I think, am I crazy?

Probably. Um. No. Uh. It was her voice. What she said, is she said, Hi, it’s me. I just want to make sure you’re okay. And I sat there, and I looked at it, and it was a message that had come in that day. Because there were other messages after that that had also come in that day. Now, why I erased that? Is beyond me.

Why I, I didn’t save that because it wasn’t like, and I kept thinking, well, was she maybe calling the, the woman that came and looked after the animals if she went out of town, but then she would have, she called that way. She would have said, hi, this is Jane. I’m just wanting to see if you’re okay. And how the, or something like that, but just saying, hi, it’s me.

I just want to make sure you’re okay. And I thought I so wish I’d kept that. I don’t know. It’s just, but that was for

you,

my heart. Yeah. Yeah. So she did. I see, I do believe they try very hard to, or I’ve read, um, and heard that the communicating when they can, uh, directly. It is through electronics or electricity.

It was like the lights going off on the set when, when Ed came to visit, you know, or with my mom, she’s, she’s on the phone. Uh, that, that they, that’s a good conduit for them is electrical things.

I was gonna tell you this before it came in to tell you, um, but then we got into a different topic. I know it’s a silly movie, but have you ever watched the movie Ant Man?

No, no. Okay.

Uh, with Paul Rudd, Ant Man and Ant Man 2. Um, okay. So I’m going to back up here. When my grandma and I would watch, uh, Sylvia Brown on Montel, she would always tell people that the other side is like seven feet from here. It’s like right on top of us. We just can’t see it. And I. I mean, I would sit with that as a kid and like in college for years and just be like, how is this like, how would I get it?

Okay. She’s probably right. But like how, and I was watching Ant Man with my daughter, my husband one day, um, And I’m watching them go what they call sub, I think they call it like subatomic where they’re becoming smaller than small and they’re becoming even smaller than like a dust mite in the air. Um, and it’s a whole nother world when you’re that small, everything is so big.

And I just heard spirit say, that’s how, like, this is how we’re right here. Um, We think of infinity as just being outward like into the universe and past the universe and just how big, big is. But spirit always says Infin. Infinity is infin. Small as well, and wonderful. That’s how they’re right here. I like that.

Yeah, which explains what you’re saying to the energy, like, like they, they’re, they’re right here. And so the energy is easy for them to shift.

Yeah. Yeah. And I do think that when we talk about them and think, I mean, I think about them all the time, but I can actually verbalize it. I think that that also encourages them to come and I’m hoping maybe sometime later today, I will get some sort of a nice little sign.

But I love that you’re mentioning Sylvia Brown, because I used to watch that too, because I’ve always, I like everything that’s, uh, Other. Yes. I like astrology. I like, I love psychics and, uh, the woman who co wrote the book with me. She’s really, I consider, I consider myself the author and she’s a writer.

She’s a very good writer. She wrote all of Sylvia Brown’s books.

Get out of here.

I’ve

been looking for an editor for my book. I don’t know if you could connect us and I could chat with her.

Uh, with, with Lindsay, uh, yeah, yeah, I mean, give the information. I’m very bad, as you know, with electronics or anything like that, past World War Two.

But let, um, um, my agent know, because I talked to Lindsay fairly often, we really became friends. And of course, I’ve talked to her several times in the last couple of weeks because she’s in Los Angeles and the fires.

Yeah.

Oh, I bet he. Is she okay? Back and forth. How are you doing? And where are they now?

And the whole thing. But I’ve asked her if she has started working on any other books. And she said she hadn’t. I mean, she’s gotten offers here and there. Not a lot. I don’t know. I don’t know how that, that, uh, world works. Um, but, and I think I know she mentioned one that, that. Someone wanted her to, um, co write, and she, it was really negative, not, not evil, but it, the woman was very negative, and she felt she didn’t want to.

And she’s not working on anything now that I know of. So if you would pass that information on to Robert. Yes. I mean, your contact information and everything. I’ll call Lindsay and see if she has any interest. Maybe you two can get together, but it has to be where you live. Where are you located right now?

I’m in Chicago. Um, okay.

Okay. And so she’s in Los Angeles. She’s in Studio City. So all our, our contact in writing the book was by phone.

Oh, that’s perfect. Actually, I’m going to be out there.

I didn’t meet her until I went out last. I went out to LA last spring to do a, uh, an episode of shrinking. And I said to my agent who came with me, uh, I said, Okay.

I want to stay an extra day. Have them, you know, book the flight an extra day because I said I want to actually meet Lindsay. I want to see her face.

Oh, that’s so cool.

So we spent the afternoon together. It was lovely. But she’s, she’s such a good writer. She found my voice in the most amazing ways and people keep saying that to me.

Yes. I remember my agent even said that when he read the first couple of chapters as we were working on it, he called and said, Kelly, she’s got your voice. She has your voice. And I said, awesome. You know, and she’s delightful. Same thing. Real animal lover, loves her dog. Uh, she’s also spiritual. I’m just

laughing because I’ve got my two puppies on the bed right next to me where I’m recording this.

Um, yeah. And the book is called Angel Signs. It’s just um, all the different ways that spirit comes through.

I love that. I’d love to read that.

Yeah. Um, amazing. So, I’ll definitely reach out to Robert after. Thank you for that. Um, you know, one of the things that you talk about too, in the book is that something that I talk about often on the podcast, you say trust in God, but row for the shore, which to me means like, take action, like do what you can in your own life.

And that seems to be a motto of yours. Um, how has taking action in your own life helped you get where God needed you to be?

Well, I think, uh, first of all, you, you simply have to, you can’t wait for people to do things for you. I mean, once you’re, uh, Past your teenage years. Uh, and sometimes people, even if they want to help you, it doesn’t occur to them something they could do unless you ask them.

And the other times I was just speaking the other day with, uh, to my stepdaughter and we were talking about when I left my first husband. And, uh, she said, you know, I was kind of giving her the details of the gory details as it were. And, uh, she, uh, said, well, then what did you, how did you work that out?

And I said, I packed up my animals. I got, took two chairs of steamer trunk for a coffee table and a futon and I walked out. I mean, he, it wasn’t any surprise to him. We were talking about it anyway, but it wasn’t like I was waiting for someone to come and get me. I had to do it myself. I had to get out of there.

And I mean, that part of, um. Of my, uh, existence of my self protection has always been very strong. It’s just, you know, just keep doing it. If it, and I’m, I have to tell you, I’m kind of a lazy person. I can procrastinate unbelievably. I’m, uh, I might be a champ. Uh, so getting, being active is, uh, a very determined thing for me.

I mean, just do it. And I mean, sometimes I, I actually didn’t say it to myself, I said, what are you doing? Just do it. Oh, okay. You know, uh, uh, so, um. I don’t know. It’s just, uh, like I said, I can be very, very lazy, but when I, when I’m working, especially, I really, I love work. I love the challenge. I love the people.

And I want to, I want to jump right in and get going on it. So that, that makes me active that way. And, uh, you know, self protection, protect my animals. You know, now and in later years after that first marriage, protect my bank account, you know, and just, uh, be grateful. I’ve, I’ve been given great gifts in this life and just including starting with me.

My body, my brain, my mind, my, my face. Um, and, uh, I’m grateful for it. And that’s something I keep reminding myself daily is to be grateful. Because so, I mean, so many people, I know what you’re saying about the other people, if, if people could just be a little more intuitive and loving, because there are so many angry, frightened people out there and they don’t have to be.

Uh, You know, I’m, I’ll talk to anybody. I, I talk to people. I just, and I, and I see them as equal to me. Doesn’t matter what kind of job they’re in. Doesn’t matter what color their skin is or anything else or how much money they have. Um, we’re the same, we’re absolute equals, uh, we’re just in different circumstances and that’s the way it is.

So, uh, that’s, that’s my take on things. Gratitude.

Oh, yes. I love that. Well, there’s so much of that in your book, that gratitude, it just radiates out and, um, you’ve got so many great quotes, you know, trusting where you are is where you need to be. I think that’s something so many people need to hear. Um, you also say sometimes you win, sometimes you learn and, uh, You know, reading your book, if we just look through life at the mindset that you give us in here, I think it helps us, um, really be grateful where we are because where we are right now is where we need to be and we can just learn and grow from here.

Absolutely. I’m right with you. That’s exactly what it is. You know, it’s, and it doesn’t last that long. I mean, I’m about to turn 81. I know there’s a finite amount of time that I have. And so, uh, that just makes me more aware, uh, and more grateful. Because I didn’t even expect to live this long, frankly. And the fact that I’m still working, here and there.

I mean, there’s, actors don’t work steadily all the time unless they’re doing a soap anyway. But, uh, that at my age, that I’m actually getting jobs here and there. And

like, killing it, Kelly. Oh my god, your role on like, The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel was just like, uh, I It was in stitches. That was hysterical.

It was so funny and I’m glad Amy did that because I was afraid while she was, uh, doing that show, which I love the show too, um, was I thought I, I met, I hope that she just doesn’t see me as that, uh, snobby, uh, wasp woman that she doesn’t see me only playing that.

So when I got that one, when that came to me and they, you know, just offered it to me and I, uh, You know, and I looked at the character and I went, Oh my God, this is wonderful. This is so not Emily, you know, and on top of that, I remember, um, saying to her, I said, I’d like to give her a little bit of a New York accent.

And I said, as I said it to her, I said, just a little bit of a New York accent. I said, not a, not a full out Fauci, but just a little bit of a, just a little bit of like a New York thing. You know, . Yeah. Yeah. So, and she kind of hesitated, uh, she didn’t say no, and I think, I’m sure she just said, let, let’s see what she does with it and see if it satisfies me.

And, and it did. But, um, yeah, that was great fun playing that. It was so, it was wonderful. Just, and, and that’s,

yeah. Couldn’t have been more different from Emily. I mean, you’re in jail like . Absolutely.

And it just, uh. And I, it was a time I needed the job. I just, I needed the job, not for the money. I needed the job for, uh, to fill my life a little bit.

So it was, but she’s a very good friend now. She’s a very, very generous, uh, Uh, loyal woman. I think that she keeps her, her circle rather small. I don’t know, honestly, but when, when she, when you, you, you get on her, her ship, you’re there. I mean, she’s going to make sure you, you’re taken care of, that you’re treated well, that she’s just a really, really solid human being and one of the brightest people I’ve ever met in my life.

She’s amazing. Absolutely.

Yeah. The creator of Marvelous Mrs. Maisel and Gilmore Girls.

And we did Bunheads together. A lot of people did.

Yeah, I know it. I know it. There was just too many things against us, you know, including the studio just didn’t have that much money. It wasn’t Warner Brothers. It’s just, uh, there were too many hurdles, I think. Um, and I couldn’t spend as much time doing it as I had thought I should. Because, again, my husband was really not doing well.

And he, you know, he really didn’t even want me to do it. So, uh, it was very tricky for me to juggle that. Uh, without hurting his feelings and without messing up the show. But I think I should have been in more. Not that that would have saved it. But, uh. Yeah, very special. And now, now, Amy has another, uh, new show.

Oh, does she? What’s It’s called Étoile. And it’s about, uh, two I don’t really know the details because I didn’t get the first script. Uh, it’s, um, about two ballet companies, one in Paris and one in New York. And they switch Principal dancers. I mean, they trade off, I guess, to drum up business. But as I said, I, I wasn’t, you know, I wasn’t part of the show when they started it.

And, uh, one point my agent called and he said, they were already filming it. They probably had done a couple of episodes. And he said, there’s a cast breakdown here and described the character whose name was Clara. And she was, uh, another upper class, uh, New York, uh, matriarch. And, very involved, her son, who is Luke Kirby, uh, who played, um, Lenny Bruce on Mrs.

Maisel, uh, is, he’s the lead of the show, and he, uh, I’m his mother in this. And so, suddenly, like, episode three or four, whatever it was, they, they’re looking for this Clara character. So I sent Amy a text. I don’t want to assume anything. So I sent her a text and I said, I, there’s a, this cast breakdown for Clara.

And I’m wondering if it’s something I should pursue. And she wrote back and said, Oh, we’d love to have you play our Clara. I’m like, Oh, I think I just got myself a job.

That’s amazing.

So I did three episodes of it. It’s, it’s, and the writing is just, and this time actually two of the, um, the scenes I did in it were written by her husband, Dan, Daniel Palladino.

And he’s a very good writer too. Uh, he’s, he’s quite funny. Uh, has done, I think, comedy writing before, but as a team now, I mean, it’s, it’s good stuff. The woman’s really weird. So I got to do three of them. So let’s and I know they have a second year. I’m hoping I’ll come back because I am. The guy’s mother.

I don’t expect to be a series regular, but, um, if I can pop in every now and then, and have that wonderful experience of doing that really good writing with really good actors, I’ll, I’ll grab it.

Amazing. Yeah. You know, how do you feel like TV is changing because people watch stuff on their iPhones and, um, we’re working.

With some folks just low key who’ve reached out after the success of the podcast and said We should do a TV show kind of based on this. Almost bringing back like a touch by an angel, but, um, true life stories and, uh, I like that.

I love it. I mean, I really miss old television to tell you the truth with everything streaming and, um, I get confused.

I don’t know where to go. And then you have to, yes. Keep getting all of these different servers. I mean, between, you know, uh, Hulu and this and that. And then I go, I just, I liked it when it was, I could trust it. I knew that every Thursday night at seven o’clock something was going to be on, but no, I, I, and I wouldn’t watch.

I wouldn’t watch a show on my phone. I don’t think I’d even watch a show on my computer, even though my computer screen is fairly large. If I’m going to watch television, I want to sit down on the couch and turn on the television.

Exactly.

I’m also, you know, old.

I’m not, but I’m right with you.

That’s amazing. Um, so I, uh, I wondered if it would be okay if I brought through just a couple of little messages from your angels. Oh, okay. Please. Yeah. So, um, your mom keeps coming through, showing me to tell you that everybody has their home, their own home on the other side. I think physicality over there than we realize.

Um, but she keeps showing me like your home is right next to her home. Um, and I feel like, uh, she wants you to know too that there’s everything that we have here and so much more. Uh, food, parties, um, experiences, and then as she was showing me that, uh, and so many Loved ones on the other side with her over there.

Just having fun. Um, we came through and I feel like he’s got two suitcases, one in each hand for you and him. And he said to tell you that there’s also travel on the other side. And, um, he makes me feel like he’s ready to take you on trips. Not that you’re going anywhere anytime soon. I want you here for forever.

Um, But, uh, that, that he’s waiting for you, too, over there.

I’m delighted. Thank you. Those are both wonderful messages. I really appreciate that. Yes. Yeah, these are the two people and I mean, I’ve lost so many people through my life and of course we had that the horrible AIDS epidemic where I lost so and so many, you know, friends.

But the two people that I just always think about and always want to spend time with and always miss is my mom and my husband. They were just wonderful people, you know, I’m delighted. Thank you. It gives me great comfort to hear that. Thank you. Well,

of course. And he, um, Lee just thanks you so much for being, um, you know, a huge part of a mom to his daughter.

And, uh, I think that we just get weird with labels these days, but, um, I believe that our souls travel so fast. So many more lifetimes than we realize. And, uh, you and her are just so connected and he’s so grateful for the role that you still play with her. Um, and then your angels keep coming through telling you to keep mentoring the younger generation.

Um, I think sometimes maybe you feel like. What you have to say they don’t need to hear but your angels say don’t discount it because they really do and they’re so proud of this book, the third Gilmore girl, it’s just amazing. They want you to be so proud of yourself.

Oh my gosh, Julie. Can I pick you back on what you said for a minute.

I was literally trying to explain to my husband this morning why, um, this memoir touched me. Of course, when I picked it up, it was because I am a huge Gilmore Girl fan. I could answer any trivia right down to a lipstick shade. Um, but I felt like it was so much more. And I grew up just in community performing arts, but still in the performing arts.

So I was immediately sucked into like the New York aspect and the Radio City Music Hall and Broadway. But also just, to me, your career is like the ideal life and still she was touched by addiction. More than once, you had to get out there and fight for human rights, you know, she was there through the AIDS epidemic, like you said, and the towers falling and COVID and all the grief she went to, and it brought out like there’s a humanness, no matter how, how you see someone’s life, they’re still people and they’re human and you and Amy Sherman Palladino, you make me feel like we’re all part of a bigger sisterhood and we have similarities.

Please. And even like to throw Sutton Foster in there, I just, I feel like there’s a connection and I needed to read the book. Like it was a divine timing for me as well. Wonderful. I don’t know if I count as younger generation in my forties, but for me. But, but

you are. The book really meant something. I’m so glad that it struck you that way because I wanted to be so forthcoming.

I knew I was going to be honest because I am. I can’t help it. I just am. Uh, but I wanted to be accessible. Uh, and so many people have basically said, I can’t tell you how many people said, I felt like I was sitting in the room and we were talking with each other and I said, yeah, that’s exactly what I wanted.

Uh, and, uh, I I’m delighted, you know, I, and I, of course, I will dispense wisdom as I, uh, think I have it. And of course, by now, if you live this long, you do have some, um, And I love to help the young people out. And, uh, I get asked questions about, you know, even in the business, young actors and things like that.

And I, I always have pretty much the same thing to say, and I really, you know, cheer them on. And, uh, it’s hard work. It’s a hard life, but it’s, it’s so challenging. And As I said, I’ve really been blessed with so many good jobs. I’ve also done a lot of bad jobs, but bad jobs are fine because you learn from them.

Uh, so, I mean, I don’t want to do any more bad jobs. I know I don’t want to learn. Thank you very much. But, uh, You know, it’s, uh, just, uh, again, that same thing, grateful, just hold on to it, and, and cherish it, because it doesn’t last as long as you think it’s going to. It, this, these years fly by when you get older.

Boy, they’re, they’re gone in a flash. So, uh, just, uh, enjoy every bit of it as you can.

Any recommendation on what you can do to make time go slower?

No, but if you, if you figure it out, let me know.

Okay, I sure will. Oh, you know, um, tell everybody, Kelly, where they can find you, your book, The Third Gilmore Girl.

It’s just fantastic. Thank

you. Well, I don’t, I don’t do social media, so you won’t find me there. Uh, you know, it’s, I, I guess it, your favorite bookseller is the thing. I know Amazon, of course, has been selling it since the get go. Uh, it’s, it’s out there someplace. Somebody, and in fact, my agent told me he just heard from someone who was in Sweden and, uh, went into a bookstore and the book was sitting there.

When I went, Hey, good, good, good, you know, so, uh, yeah, it’s just, it’s just your regular book. I don’t have anything special going. It’s just, it’s out there and please, please do buy it. I, I love sharing my life with people and, and if I could be helpful that all the better. It’s great. So thank you.

Yes. Okay.

Hold on one second. I’m just going to do one thing here. Okay. I wondered if you could give a shout out to my daughter’s best friend. She’s your hugest fan and she’s talked about you even before, um, I told her that you were going to come on. She’s talked about Gilmore girls. And so she overheard me in the kitchen saying that, uh, I was going to have you Kelly on the show.

And she goes, Not my Emily, um, and she’s a theater kid too. So I wondered if you could guess, um, uh, Sophie. Sophie? Yeah.

Okay, shall I do it now? Sure, perfect. Sophie, it’s nice to know you are around and acting. Are you acting? And that you like me. I like you too. So, uh, Sophie, take care of yourself. Have a good life and follow your dreams.

Perfect. Thank you so much, Kelly. You’re such a blessing.

Thank you. Thank you. It was very enjoyable. Really nice. Thank you.

Wonderful. I hope you have a beautiful blessed day.